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Old 02-05-2007, 07:42 AM   #29
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After veiwing the graph of various anchors especially highlighting the Rocna anchor... look at the graph for the CQR!!!!. I'm very worried about my 35 lb CQR which has served me well for the past 20 years. The only time it has dragged was on Kawau Island, New Zealand. This was 3 weeks after "Chrissy Time". An aluminium beer can was impaled on the sharp point and the anchor truely became a farmers earth plow..
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Power & Motoryacht have a good article this month with more data and graphs. Rocna looks very good...about the same as the Spade & Manson with all things considered.

Quote: "The anchor (Rocna) tended to drag at first but finally set each time and held once to 5000 pounds."

The Manson "Supreme" has some attractive features as well.

www.manson-marine.co.nz

And what a deal...only $1715.00 for 45# and $2030.00 for 60# Stainless
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Old 02-05-2007, 12:21 PM   #31
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While cruising New Zealand years ago...(1992 to 1995)during the last trip to NZ, I had my 35 lb "CQR" plough anchor regalvanized.

Upon return and a fine job done indeed, To my dismay,I saw 2 small holes drilled 6 inches above the point...

I asked the galvanizing company why this was so.

The response was they thought it was an older Manson plough anchor(one inch lettering stating CQR Made in Scotland was clearly marked on the shank)

Apparently the Manson plough has a lead weight capsule enclosed in the point.

The small holes were drilled to release pressure build up and prevent the lead from exploding during the hot dip galvanizing process!!!!!!

What the hell... so what do I do with the damn holes?

In true kiwi fashion I was told..."Just fill em in with bog (epoxy)mate.. she will be right mate....

So I did and have experienced no problems to date.

In 2004 in Oz I had the plough regalvanized again and mentioned the "holes" and that it was a CQR and not a Manson anchor etc....

The staff just looked at me out of the corner of their eyes, smirked and did another fine regalvinizing job.

Can anyone or staff at Manson Anchors verify this esoteric/obscure question? This has been an amusing "sea fearing" story at many boat parties.
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I can't directly answer your question, however, I had my 80lb Anderson regalvanised in Darwin recently. When I phones the electroplating works, they suggested I melt out the lead plug and reset it after the galvanising.

They said they would not be responsible for the integrity of the lead plug during the hot dip process. There was a quite heavy amount of lead which I guess could have been dislodged, melted and escaped during the regalvanising.

I remelted the lead and poured it back into the anchor after the process with no subsequent loss of weight.

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However I did miss the fact that the currency converter did not work , it output the same value regardless of the currency. So indeed the Rocna is more competitive than the Spade from WM.
Sorry, it seems the European Central Bank's servers were down over the weekend. You can try again now, it should be working fine.

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Power & Motoryacht have a good article this month with more data and graphs. Rocna looks very good...about the same as the Spade & Manson with all things considered.
The Power & Motoryacht article is the same as the SAIL and Yachting Monthly testing - although I would say the worst write-up of it, of the three. The other two are on our website as mentioned above. Some of what Power & Motoryacht say directly contradicts Yachting Monthly, so go figure. Note that the data presented in the graph by P&M is nothing like the complete test; the figures in the graph posted above are an average of the entire thing, and speak for themselves.

The Manson Supreme anchor is a cheap copy of the Rocna, as are their other anchors - they do a CQR, Bruce, Danforth, etc. As with most things, you get what you pay for.

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While cruising New Zealand years ago...(1992 to 1995)during the last trip to NZ, I had my 35 lb "CQR" plough anchor regalvanized.

Upon return and a fine job done indeed, To my dismay,I saw 2 small holes drilled 6 inches above the point...

I asked the galvanizing company why this was so.

The response was they thought it was an older Manson plough anchor(one inch lettering stating CQR Made in Scotland was clearly marked on the shank)
Manson do this with their CQR copies, in order to get tip-weight. The galvanizers are correct to drill if there's lead, but clearly they don't know about the genuine CQR.

Having said that, some old CQRs also have lead inserts, from Simpson-Lawrence and before.
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Craig and others:

Many thanks for the info regarding the lead capsule/w/plug in the tip of Manson and Anderson plough anchors.

Didn't know some genuine CQR's had it also.

The CQR I have seems not to be one of the lead tip type as after two hot dip regalvanizings and no re-leading it still weighs very close to 35 lbs.
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Here's a problem/question about bottom type.

Both times the anchor was down holding seemingly well, but backwards we would travel no matter what we tried.

Has anybody else had an experience such as this?
Had exactly the same problem in the Rebak basin in Langkawi. Had an oversized CQR with 8:1 chain - very slowly dragged. Then tried a Plow - same rode - very slowly dragged. They have since dredged the basin. Haven't tried it since...
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Dnelson, I haven't tried the Rebak area but the anchorage area just outside Telaga Marina is the same. The CQR would drag with 20 knots, the Bruce was holding better. It seems to be another problem with rapid corrosion on anchor chain due to the nature of the soil.
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Well. but you should be aware that the NICE curve published here has NEVER been published by neither SAIL Magazine nor by Yachting monthly..

This curve is a pure INTERPRETATION done by ROCNA in order to show that the Rocna anchor was the first in the test!!!

This conclusion is neither supposted by Sail Magazine nor by Yachting Monthly magazine..
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