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Old 08-17-2006, 05:58 PM   #1
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Finally,can afford the long awaited boat, time and dream !

At 57, healthy and reasonably fit, with the kids doing their own thing, I am almost there. Although I have done some monohull sailing (Day Skipper RYA)but have limited experience, I am considering a live-aboard, cruising catamaran, about 5-7 years old,38-45feet (My budget allowance)

However, I have no idea how much above the purchase price it's going to cost me to run and live aboard. Was thinking of the Med to gain some experience (I live in Scotland) and if I like it and can do it...maybe further afield perhaps SE Asia. Can anyone advise me (Apart from not getting a Cat !!) Appreciate your help.
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Old 08-17-2006, 08:03 PM   #2
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Hi, sounds like a daunting plan, errmm. And one that I have also just signed up to! I'm also a novicey day-skipper with little experience, and have just ordered the live-aboard cat to take through Med next year and then on down to Thailand. Crazy, aren't we both? But sounds like there might be mileage in our comparing trials and tribulations encountered along the way. I'm in Sussex. Email me if you want to compare notes on the info gleaned thus far. Barry
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:07 PM   #3
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We spent two years sailing west from Guam to the Caribbean via the Red Sea. We figgured it cost us (the wife & me) $750 USD per month and we weren't consciously trying to be frugal. We did, however, avoid marinas.

We always ate well, always had cold beer in the fridge and a bottle of wine to share. And, I'll admit, we cranked-up the engine whenever our speed dropped below three knots.

Oh!... and we had a LOT of fun, too!

Our boat was a 37' cutter and (luckily) we suffered no major break-downs along the way. The only thing we're gonna do differently next time we set out is take more time to travel inland... and further off the rhumb line.

$750 per month for two people - easy!

See you out there,

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Old 08-17-2006, 11:25 PM   #4
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Hi, sounds like a daunting plan, errmm. And one that I have also just signed up to! I'm also a novicey day-skipper with little experience, and have just ordered the live-aboard cat to take through Med next year and then on down to Thailand. Crazy, aren't we both? But sounds like there might be mileage in our comparing trials and tribulations encountered along the way. I'm in Sussex. Email me if you want to compare notes on the info gleaned thus far. Barry
Thanks for the reply Barry. Sounds like you are a bit ahead of me. What type of boat have you ordered and how did the insurance work out. Have you done any estimates on costs above the purchase cost of the boat.Did you get much experience sailing cats before you bought one?

Good Luck with the trip.
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Old 08-17-2006, 11:30 PM   #5
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Thanks for the reply Guys. $750 sounds very do-able. Was that including repairs, insurance,replacement 'bits' etc.

How much sailing experience did you have before the blue water stuff from guam to the Med?
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Old 08-18-2006, 01:53 AM   #6
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We jumped around, somewhere between $500-1000 U.S. after all it was mostly food and (hic) drink! Money was spent on the boat before we went and we were only gone for two yrs, probably just getting back before things started to go.

If we had have left without preparations and then did repairs and maintenace on the fly it certainly would have been different, read "more expensive".

Must admit, I was a bit of a hardass about "sailing". We would sail directly to our anchorage, get close to shore (catamaran) then set the hook by backwinding, when leaving we would sail out too. It really was fun for me as a challenge. Went weeks without firing up the engine....my motto "if it weren't blowin we weren't goin!"

Bought $18 in fuel on a monthly avg and stayed at docks two days out of the two yrs.

Know sailors who did it on much less too.

good luck finding your cat , hope to see ya some time when I get back out there. Duckhead.
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Old 08-18-2006, 02:15 PM   #7
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Hi, We have found that the annual boat cost to be about 10% of the purchase price. Years ago we were told that this would be the case by an old cruiser who is now a yacht chandler. We did not believe him at the time.:0)

Everyone seems to find their own limit/budget for living costs. These costs vary as you change your cruising area. The Med is more expensive than say SE Asia.

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Old 08-18-2006, 03:07 PM   #8
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Hi Will

No real experience, just started sailing (now I've had to give up serious climbing, deep diving etc etc - yep, those middle fifties are here!) I also had the same dream of one day cruising around exotic islands, and rather than buy a place in Thailand I decided to become a snail and take my house around with me.

I have looked at a lot of cats in the past 18 months or so, mostly in the 40ft - 50ft range. I suspect there will be people in this group who can give you much better advice than I. But we sailed a Lagoon 44 round the Sporades in June - nice boat, bit MFI, easy to handle and twin engines make parking easier, but it's still a bit tight in tiny Greek harbours. Also sailed a 50ft aluminium cat round Phang Nga Bay and southwards in March, didn't much like that boat, but probably because of bad cockpit design. Ally cats have good performance but this one also seemed to have a lot of sharp edges, and the booming of the waves resonated throughout the hulls in a night time blow. Bit like being in a destroyer below decks, lots of sharp metallic bulkheads and the like.

I'm going for a Privilege 495, which is a bit of floating house and heavy to boot, so I suspect no 'proper' sailor would look at them. Oh, but the comfort! The missus is dead scared of the water, won't go in a dinghy without a life vest, so it had to be a boat that was awfully stable. So, no gimbals on the cooker and no spilling of the G&T. And when we test drove one in a 25 knot wind and a good Solent swell, there she was, sitting in the pulpit with glass in hand, happy as Larry. Sold, methinks!

Best of luck with the hunt. Rather than clog up this thread, I'll email you soon re my own estimates on costs, but I am working a bit in the dark like you

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Old 08-18-2006, 04:39 PM   #9
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The cost of cruising depends on how much or little money you have to spend. Using marina's eats very hard into the kitty as does motoring when the wind isn't good enough to sail. Food costs, fuel and just about everything else varies so much from place to place it isn't possible to give a 'basic costing'. I eat a lot of fish and buy local produce where I can and don't hang out of marina's or drink more than the odd one. I can live on about 30% of what I 'needed' on land. But again it all depends on how you want to cruise. If you want to it can be done very economically with a little thought about preperation and where you buy WHAT you need. For example an oil filter in Australia for my yacht motor is bought at an auto shop and not at a chandlers saving about 40% and is the same filter number and listed for the motor.

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Have you ever made a list of what you spend on your land life? Telephone, electricity, heat/aircon, mortgage, property taxes, TV, ....?

Not much goes for food compared to everything else, eh? Get rid of all those expenses and life is easier right away!

Food prices: cheapest in SE Asia (most everything else also reasonable to cheap). Most expensive in the islands (since it all has to be imported). The Caribbean is extremely convenient in all ways - easy sailing, good access to chandleries (such as Budget Marine), good anchorages, and a few islands where bargains are to be had in food and dutiable goods.

Although I think that 10% of boat purchase per year for boat maintenance is a bit steep, to budget that much is probably a good idea, provided you put it in a savings instrument of some sort so that it's there when you DO need the money, such as for a refit with all new standing rigging, etc. The more you do yourself, the more carefully you care for the boat on a daily/weekly/monthly basis the less your out of pocket costs will be.

When we went looking for a new boat, which we had already decided was to be a power catamaran, we thought that about 42 feet would be nice. It turned out that 42 feet was, for us, just too big. We delivered our friend's 37-foot sailing catamaran many times, and would have been happy with a power cat of that size, but unfortunately we couldn't find one to suit us. The 34-foot power cat we now have is a compromise (isn't that always the case?) that we can live with. It is certainly roomy enough for the kind of cruising we are doing now, but if it were 2 or 3 feet longer it would be perfect. The "perfect" boat was just over the horizon and we didn't want to wait for it to appear. I think that for us this was the right choice.
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Old 08-18-2006, 07:42 PM   #11
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Sounds like you had some real fun and a great experience. If you were to do it again, wouold it be monohull, or Cat?

Thanks for the advice Duckhead

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We jumped around, somewhere between $500-1000 U.S. after all it was mostly food and (hic) drink! Money was spent on the boat before we went and we were only gone for two yrs, probably just getting back before things started to go.

If we had have left without preparations and then did repairs and maintenace on the fly it certainly would have been different, read "more expensive".

Must admit, I was a bit of a hardass about "sailing". We would sail directly to our anchorage, get close to shore (catamaran) then set the hook by backwinding, when leaving we would sail out too. It really was fun for me as a challenge. Went weeks without firing up the engine....my motto "if it weren't blowin we weren't goin!"

Bought $18 in fuel on a monthly avg and stayed at docks two days out of the two yrs.

Know sailors who did it on much less too.

good luck finding your cat , hope to see ya some time when I get back out there. Duckhead.
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Hi Bill

JeanneP is right, there are so many things you pay for on land that just doesn't exist on the water.

As for the boat? Maybe I'm a physics freak or something cuz I never considered anything but two hulls. It would bug the hell out of me to to see a gust coming and have your boat tip over rather than accelerate.

That and the best anchorage spots are always available for you.

The ability to get into any kind of skinny water for protection should the need arise. In areas of hi-tide we even scraped and painted our bottom while beached. Run aground? no problem jump off and push.

Go out and have fun! Duckhead
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Good luck with putting the plan into action.

We only cruise summer months and the med is not cheap - but the others are right. You could do it easily on $1,000 pm if you were penny wise - or a lot more if so inclined. $2,000 per month would see you living very well with no shortages of anything.

If budget is important to you, I'm sure you've already considered that your catermaran marina costs are going to be much higher than a monohull?

I appreciate most cruisers avoid marinas but some areas of the med are short of protected anchorages, so often a marina is the only alternative. In some places summer months you could be charged up to $250 for a night - which would blow a big hole in anyones spending money!

Also please consider the equal importance in the Med with is crowded summers, when you want to get in anywhere high season - they'd probably give 2 x monohulls the space instead of a cat!

Go for it - good luck

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Quite shocked at that one John. $250 !!!

Reason for the cat. is that at my age and with limited sailing experience, I thought it may be more a comfortable live aboard. Perhaps a 'beamier' mono could be a consideration. What do you drive?

Thanks for the input

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Good luck with putting the plan into action.

We only cruise summer months and the med is not cheap - but the others are right. You could do it easily on $1,000 pm if you were penny wise - or a lot more if so inclined. $2,000 per month would see you living very well with no shortages of anything.

If budget is important to you, I'm sure you've already considered that your catermaran marina costs are going to be much higher than a monohull?

I appreciate most cruisers avoid marinas but some areas of the med are short of protected anchorages, so often a marina is the only alternative. In some places summer months you could be charged up to $250 for a night - which would blow a big hole in anyones spending money!

Also please consider the equal importance in the Med with is crowded summers, when you want to get in anywhere high season - they'd probably give 2 x monohulls the space instead of a cat!

Go for it - good luck

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