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Old 07-14-2007, 10:05 PM   #1
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I have a pistol, registrate in my name. I thought of leaving it behind when I start my cruising live.I can imagine complications entering other countries. When I read about piracy and stealing and all sceary things happening around the globe I get worried Though.How do you protect your wife, boat and belongings out there?

Can you experienced cruisers out there please help me to make a well educated decition about this matter?
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Old 07-15-2007, 02:21 AM   #2
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The concensus seems to be "no guns". Most will stay clear of this subject as it has been beaten into the gound month after month.

The piracy isn't statistically significant to concern yourself...most just want water or cigarettes. So, if you take your gun, buy a lottery ticket while you're at it.

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At the moment I am planning on keeping one pistol onboard when I finally get my own boat... like you I just can't imagine being unarmed.... of course it will be a few years before I can buy my own boat... so I will obviously not have a gun while working on other peoples boats... in that time I may change my mind and find enough security in a spear gun, gaff, machete, etc...

For those who have been out and around... assuming a person isn't doing anything stupid to bring negative attention to themselves what are the odds of a foreign customs office actually searching your boat? have you ever had your boat searched??
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Various discussions on arms on this board: http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/index.php...amp;hl=firearms

http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/index.php...amp;hl=firearms

http://www.cruiserlog.com/forums/index.php...amp;hl=firearms
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I was pro-gun...I have since changed my position on the subject. Mostly due to the real hassle it would present and the fact that you can do just as much with a good flare gun.
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Any chance they make a good semi-auto flare gun?? that would definitely fill the bill.
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I would reply more in depth, sir, but the problem is if you use common sense and carry you get beaten up and bashed by ill-informed, naive, close-minded, and Utopian people, who believe the police will always be there to defend you and would rather lie down to potential slaughter than take a stand. Just keep in mind you don't hear from the people who were murdered and pushed over the side to prevent the incident from being reported. Just use common sense, be a good guy, always be honest, and remember there is no 911 (or 999) in transit.Robin
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I have a pistol, registrate in my name. I thought of leaving it behind when I start my cruising live.I can imagine complications entering other countries. When I read about piracy and stealing and all sceary things happening around the globe I get worried Though.How do you protect your wife, boat and belongings out there? Can you experienced cruisers out there please help me to make a well educated decition about this matter?
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Robin,

Those people you describe as 'ill-informed, naive, close-minded, untopians(sic)' are the same people who supported you in the lead up to your attempt to cross the Pacific. The same people who supported you when you disappeared from the boards when you trip did not conclude as you had planned. They are also people who will continue to give you support, now that you have chosen to try cruising again.

They are people from across the world, not just America, who are cruising in boats, not trucks, and who have carefully considered their position on firearms and do no more than try to honestly answer questions from people who genuinely seek answers, rather than seeking to champion a cause presided over by a has-been who for some reason frightens the crap out of the American political establishment.

This is not an American question on a mid-western American board! It is an international question on an international board which demands an informed, international response from people who have more experience than theory.

"......would rather lie down than make a stand...."

To describe, as you have, the vast majority of cruisers from across the globe as cowards, is particularly offensive.

By all means put your case..again and again and again.. if you must, but you must avoid making stupid allegations against people who genuinely know, from experience, what they are talking about.

Like Trim50, I was also in favour of guns on cruising yachts, but after actually cruising internationally, I am now also one of those who tossed my rifle into the ocean.

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Robin,

This is not an American question on a mid-western American board! It is an international question on an international board which demands an informed, international response from people who have more experience than theory.

"......would rather lie down than make a stand...."

To describe, as you have, the vast majority of cruisers from across the globe as cowards, is particularly offensive.

By all means put your case..again and again and again.. if you must, but you must avoid making stupid allegations against people who genuinely know, from experience, what they are talking about.

Like Trim50, I was also in favour of guns on cruising yachts, but after actually cruising internationally, I am now also one of those who tossed my rifle into the ocean.

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This is not an American question on a mid-western American board! It is an international question on an international board which demands an informed, international response from people who have more experience than theory.
I don't get into the "gun debate." If it's legal and you want to carry go ahead. You don't want to carry, don't.

However in the interest of "informed" debate.

Singapore -

2 guns = trafficking in arms = death penalty

1 gun = possession = 5-10 years and 6 strokes

Use a gun regardless of reason = death penalty

A gun is broadly defined here and yes can include flare guns.

I haven't heard of any cruising boat being arrested for a flare gun. I would guess that if you left it on board, stayed on a mooring and did not dock up - where someone could easily pinch it - you'd be OK.

I sure as hell wouldn't test them however...

Follow the law - end of debate.

Singapore arms law -

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi...=whole&sl=1
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Unless I'm mistaken, I think Robinsvoyage is currently cruising.
What gave you that idea? I think you are mistaken.

His present boat is on the hard in the desert:

Visiting Hard Knocks Here

He plans to get his new boat in December:

Meet the William Bligh Here

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When I first caught the sailing fever, and read of pirates, I was pro-gun, planning to have pistols, rifles and shotguns on board. Now knowing more about it, I changed my mind as many others have. Planning to take them, with the purpose of protecting against something virtually non-existant (the boggie man), makes little sense, knowing having them will cause real problems and big problems, upon entering many countries.

I think it makes more sense to study countries laws and customs, their language and culture, be aware of travel advisories, and avoid the known hot spots and troubled areas. Simply think and be smart; I call it street smarts.
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Dave, I've sailed all over the world, in Scotland, Australia, and in the US. I don't live in the mid-west, by the way. Aren't you a little tired of the same issue being brought up with the same people arguing? I have experience with firearms, self defense, and sailing, do you wish to stifle what I assume to be an informed and experience-driven opinion?

Thanks,

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Obviously the "untopian" should be Utopian. I think you'll have to explain the "sic" to the other members, but not someone who was an English major.
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It's the Hard Knots not the Hard Knocks and it's on a trailer and hasn't been used since I pulled it out of the ocean in 2005. The vessel I had before was Luana in Hawaii. Theone I just bought is in Maine and is called the William Bligh, named for someone who would probably agree with me, by the way.

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What gave you that idea? I think you are mistaken.

His present boat is on the hard in the desert:

Visiting Hard Knocks Here

He plans to get his new boat in December:

Meet the William Bligh Here

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When I first caught the sailing fever, and read of pirates, I was pro-gun, planning to have pistols, rifles and shotguns on board. Now knowing more about it, I changed my mind as many others have. Planning to take them, with the purpose of protecting against something virtually non-existant (the boggie man), makes little sense, knowing having them will cause real problems and big problems, upon entering many countries.

I think it makes more sense to study countries laws and customs, their language and culture, be aware of travel advisories, and avoid the known hot spots and troubled areas. Simply think and be smart; I call it street smarts.
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Thank you all for proving my point about those of us who still believe in personal responsibility and individual rights. Many of us keep quiet because we don't like getting attacked or called ill-informed. I submit to you that I am not only informed, but having lived in the UK, Australia, Canada, and the USA, am probably better traveled and well versed in international politics than most of you. Your comments and positions are exactly what I expect and know from the elitists that populate most of the sailing community globally. As for me, I'm not rich, I save harder than any of you realize to enjoy the freedom and leisure that I crave every day of my life and that is bored into my bones.

Thank you and remember my words, especially if you're ever in the process of realizing that I was right.

I don't think I need to express any views on these message boards anymore.

As for me I will be enjoying my freedom, sailing, flying, driving, exploring the world and meeting new people,

Yours Forever,

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