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Old 09-22-2012, 02:35 AM   #15
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"The industry relies on uninformed people like you who rather spend money than learn something new".

Hansulrich, I said the copncept may be worthwhile and may have benefits. I am not uninformed! When anyone suggests something which may be of personal benefit, I look at it carefully. I will not however, blindly accept the affirmations of a single voice on a forum.

I note that as far as MMS is concerned, most of the testimonials and claims of it curing malaria, cholera and in one case, even cancer are produced by vested interests. There appears to be a few so called 'independent reviews', but these are again marred by the fact they are posted by the same vested interests. There appears to be no positive reviews produced or supported by credible independent bodies.

If treatment with these salts is so profoundly good, there will be good people involved in medicine and science who will shout the benefits to the rooftops. They appear to be conspicuous in their absence. I am concerned about side effects and of course reliance on what may or may not be, snake oil products. It was not long ago that National Geographic and Reader's Digest magazines were promoting tobacco as having health benefits for endurance athletes. Then, science got involved.

The product could be patented as a medicine irrespective of it's history just as long as it could satisfy the requirements of the medical patent process. This simply means that a medicine must have a scientific, medically proven worth as a medicine before it can be patented. MMS exhibits no repreatedly provable positive medical outcomes. This is the sole reason why it's promoters will not submit it to the patent process.

I did not decry MMS as worthless. I merely believe that as it cannot be proven to have benefits, prudent mariners who venture well offshore would be better off to put their trust in products which are known to be beneficial and more important which have either no, or at least predictable side effects.

I accept you believe the product is invaluable and I would not try to dissuade you from that thought. I hope you will give my opinion equal respect. If MMS is subsequently proven to be the beneficial medicine which you claim it to be, I will buy it, use it and promote it. Such would be the worth of a previously unavailable, universal panacea.
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Old 09-22-2012, 03:09 AM   #16
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Further research suggests MMS may be dangerous as it is simply an industrial bleach.
Miracle Mineral Supplement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another Fraud Of Alternative Medicine: M.M.S.

Again I am not trying to upset Hansulrich. Indeed, I apologise if you feel I bear you any personal ill will. But it becomes clear as I look further into the claims of Jim Humble and Adam Abraham that the product is not one which should be used without specialist knowledge. Malaria, herpes, HIV, cancer and cholera are not known to be cured with the application of industrial bleach.

The side effects of using such a harsh, poisonous and corrosive chemical could be life threatening especially where someone is alone on an ocean, hundreds of miles away from medical assistance.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:48 AM   #17
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I'm with you on this one Auzzee.

Always the nagging thought that we may be missing out on a true elixir, but the risks are too great until proven.

I had a wonderful medical kit put together by a GP on my last solo outing (91 days at sea) and used nothing more than a Nurofen! The safety net was in place though and it needs to be looked at as an insurance policy......hope I don't use it but got to have it.

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Old 09-22-2012, 08:26 AM   #18
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A little bit of "Miracle Mercury Supplement" in your water tank after a dodgy fillup might work out OK, but I would never consider putting that into my body.

Even for that I would rather use regular bleach as it is cheap, widely available, chemically consistent, measures nicely, and is proven to work.

I'll be leaving that one out of my kit, too.
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Old 09-22-2012, 04:24 PM   #19
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Dear Auzzee,

Thanks for the offer of fair play. The mere fact that you refer to chlorine dioxide as a bleach demonstrates your lack of information. Add to this the 'vested interest' and you are done.

Everybody, given a few basic instructions, can produce mms-1 and mms-2. I am one of those. Most people are a bit lazy and if they want to use the products, they buy it. It is true that it heals Malaria within a few hours and the treatment costs only a few cents. Because Malaria is a parasite, the result can be simply confirmed by a lab test.

I have treated myself for burns, spider bite, septic wounds, swine flu, a cancerous growth on the head and athletes foot. I have given information to others who overcame tuberculosis, pneumonia, permanent headaches etc.

mms does nothing else than eliminate pathogens. It therefore supports the immune system. It is an oxidant. To call it a bleach demonstrated the ignorance of the speaker.

mms is not a silver bullet. It's just a substance. You need information to put it to good use.

Well, let me put it again. You will need at least ten hours of research and study to until you start to understand the complex. My contribution was to make a website which might help others.

Nobody has answered any of my questions, by the way.

Jim Humble is also in Mexico, on Yucatan.

Another question: How many people die each year from direct side effects of medication?

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Old 09-22-2012, 04:59 PM   #20
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Credit to Auzzee for his resolve to investigate further. He is right to say that we should not accept new information without digging deeper. I am looking forward to his further contribution.

This is in stark contrast to Coyote, who is placing his money on bleach, which is a choice as bad as it gets.

Did you know that most drinking water in the States is purified using chlorine dioxide? With no traces of chemicals in the water. You drink it daily. Thats mms.

Any doctor who is associated with mms is automatically banned. So are scientists. Believe me, the industry is very thorough. They are also in control of the controlling bodies. At stake is their billion dollar industry. Medical doctors have been reduced to drug pushers.

It has never been proven that vaccination helps. It is just an assumption.

Find you!

Here again my website, which has all the other links

mms4africa home page

and my boating website: Sailing catamaran and lifestyle
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Yes, Auzzee's politeness is in fairly stark contrast to my almost not quite calling you a quack. So you are calling vaccination an "assumption" but mms a "miracle cure?" I don't think you are going to convince anybody here, but by all means keep talking to yourself.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:48 PM   #22
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Hi Coyote,

mms is not a miracle cure. It just happens to eliminate pathogens at low cost and with great efficiency. Google 'chlorine dioxide' for info.

Selective quoting will not bring you very far. Just please find a science paper that proves that vaccination works (only one paper).

A quack I would say is somebody who puts bleach in the tank of his own boat.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:35 PM   #23
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Can we stick to the subject and ignore snake oil.
Some of us would like to hear from those that have gone before.
What was useful and what wasn't.
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Hansulrich ... if you are not really promoting MMS as you say then why are you defending it so hard ???

To answer your questions ...

How do you keep the drinking water in the boats tanks clean? ... I use a reverse osmosis filter on drinking and cooking water. I may if I feel it is warranted use Puri tabs in the water tanks.

How do you heal Malaria and how long will it take and how much cost? ... There are many 'treatments' for malaria and preventative medications but no 100% proven 'cure. I personally don't worry about it much.

How to you heal burns? (very frequent on boats) ... For the most part we don't 'heal' burns ... our bodies naturally heal burns, we simply take steps to prevent infection while our body heals its self.

what if you are bitten by a sting ray? ... Stingrays don't bite ... they sting through a barb on their tail. Stingray stings are caused by the sharp barb that transmits a protein-based venom. The best treatment to date is to soak the sting area in hot water as stingray venoms are composed of heat-labile proteins and soaking in hot water alters the tertiary structure of the polypeptide protein molecule by denaturing and thereby deactivating the poison.

Food poisoning, incl. Cholera? ... The chances of getting cholera from food poisoning is about 0.34 per 100,000 population and with a mortality rate of 0.01 per 100,000 population ... (World Health Organisation Health facts 2009) ... The body generally purges its self in most cases of food poisoning so I am not concerned about this at all and if we use proper food hygiene there won't be anything to really be concerned about.

Question ...also why are you waiting for a suitable medical kit for boats ... I mean you already have your mms don't you.

As to mms ... snake oils and magic elixir ... you know what you can do with them ... I am sure you don't need my advice there ....

Just my 20 (inflation) cents worth ...

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Now that I have had my little rant ... I agree lets get back to the topic at hand ... first aid kits for cruising ...

I am quite interested in others opinions and will try to make a list of what I keep in my kit as time permits as I am about to update my kit.

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My goodness fellas, I leave you alone for a couple days and you're bickering about something completely unworthy of us bickering about.

There are loads of ah...hem..."different" remedies which people swear by and which manage to make folks feel pretty confident about medical outcomes. We certainly don't want to go down the path of fighting about all these things.

I do like wikipedia as a source of information since it is contributed to by many people and the info is constantly updated. I'd suggest that anyone interested in MMS keep up with the wikpedia entry on it here

About that first aid kit--sorry guys I've been booked up with other things on my plate and I've been out of pocket. I see other wonderful people have stepped up to the plate with good info: wildernesstech has given us some great insights. I'm off and running with other things for the next couple days but will return here with a bit to add to the topic!

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Sorry, I don't defend mms. I just try to promote facts.

It's not easy, because that wiki entry about Miracle Mineral Supplement is a list of blatant lies. It's an anonymous forum that is misused to spread, yes, again, misinformation.

While it can be quite refreshing to read contributions by sailors who are not inhibited by a burden of knowledge, it does not lead us very far.

My list for a kit:

100 ml Sodiumchlorite Solution 28% and 100 ml Citric Acid 50%
1 bottle of 100 capsules #3 of Calciumhypochlorite
1 bottle of 100 g Chilly powder (Cayenne Peffer)
1 bottle of 100 ml DMSO
1 empty spray bottle ca. 125 ml
1 tube of Baby rash salve (Zinc oxide)
1 vial of Pain killer
Plaster, bandages, tape of various sizes
Important: A Field guide with information

About burns. Lexx is right. The question is how to avoid infection without further damage to the tissue. That's where chlorine dioxide come in. Live and learn.
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Sorry, I don't defend mms. I just try to promote facts.

About burns. Lexx is right. The question is how to avoid infection without further damage to the tissue. That's where chlorine dioxide come in. Live and learn.
Dude you really are dangerous To promote the facts ... first you need to know them.

I checked out chlorine dioxide , came across several sites pushing mms and also came across way more sites, including several government ones warning of the dangers of exposure to chlorine dioxide ...

Don't believe me ...

Check out just one ... http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/81-123/pdfs/0116.pdf

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