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Old 12-27-2010, 04:29 PM   #29
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Atavist- you may be interested in the Seafarer 38. It has the classic look that you prefer and was a well-built vessel. In my opinion it is a little under-canvassed (but I do live on the Gulf Coast of FL...).

The main attraction for you, however, would be that great big "ballroom" of a saloon. I've seen one of these converted to a monstrously large galley situated aft of the dinette. The old galley on that boat was converted into an entertainment center, bookshelf, and storage area.

They have good headroom (6'3") and come rigged as a Ketch or a Cutter, with a few being built or modified as Cutter Ketches.

The prices are generally reasonable, from $10k-$40k

Do not confuse this with the later-model Seafarer 37! That boat is touted to be designed as a world cruiser but I believe it was more lightly built due to the rising costs of resins in the 80s.
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Old 12-27-2010, 07:45 PM   #30
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Oh, my! A three year old thread comes back to life. This is kinda fun.
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As I continue my boat search I find it amazing how many "cruisers" are in no way layed out for live-aboard... at least not by my standards.

What am I looking for? The first thing that comes to mind is galley space... most modern yacht's have galleys that are nearly nonexistant, tiny sinks, 2 burner stoves, negligible counter space... I can see why this would be the case in coastal cruising/day sailing boats but to me the galley is one of the most imporant parts of the boat, I want a double sink, 4 burners, and as much counterspace as possible with lots of under counter storage... sure this looses you a birth but as I plan to live-aboard I don't plan to have that many visitors and will probably spend a lot of time in the galley grinding wheat berries, watering my bean-sprouts, and of course cooking.

Next on my list of complaints is the navigation stations... most of them are nearly nonexistant as well, you have to either sacrifice counter space or cover your burners and then you are left standing in the middle of the salon/galley or on some uncomfortable little fold out seat, still in everyone elses way. You see a few with comfortable navigation stations but they are rare and still lack galley space.... and then there is the issue of aft cabins... there are plenty of littlish (<35ft) boats with aft cabins... but for some reason they never have any of the above discussed features... ... What is up with this?? to me the perfect boat would have two double births, a big galley and a comfortable nav station... yet it seams if a boat has one it lacks the others, for no apparent reason...

So to get to the point.... for those of you who already live-aboard, or have or will, what do you find to be the design features that make a boat live-aboardable??? What kind of boat do you have? What do you find to be it's shortcomings in this area? What strengths? Do you know any boats that meet the above criterion??

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Oh, my! A three year old thread comes back to life. This is kinda fun.
Yes, well I brought this one--and a few others--back to life because I think they're worthwhile.

Atavist has been through one boat now and is considering his future options. I'm really glad to see that he's moving on with new ideas for his next sailing adventures.

The thread is still good because getting into all the issues of what makes one galley (or boat) livable is so individual for each of us.

How's life going for you Coyote? Are you in the SF Bay area right now?

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Old 12-30-2010, 09:12 PM   #33
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I am still in SF Bay and life is getting better each month. I am also starting to think about a new boat in the next couple years, so I read all this avidly. The Sabre was (and still is) a GREAT first boat and perfect for a single man, but I have a son now and I want more of everything.

The alcohol stove works for me, but I would really prefer propane. A dedicated stateroom would be a nice luxury. I now live on 30 gallons of water and do OK, but would love to have more. (Well, that's better than my kayak which held 8 gallons.) A real shower would be nice - especially if I had some hot water once in a while.

I will say (bragging a bit here) that the Sabre 30 has a more usable galley than any boat I have been on under 40 feet. I've served dinner for 8 aboard a couple times.

I saw you were here for a while and I spent a bit of time on Google Maps looking at where you dropped your hook.

There are still certainly many places around here for me to go for a long time.

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Yes, well I brought this one--and a few others--back to life because I think they're worthwhile.

Atavist has been through one boat now and is considering his future options. I'm really glad to see that he's moving on with new ideas for his next sailing adventures.

The thread is still good because getting into all the issues of what makes one galley (or boat) livable is so individual for each of us.

How's life going for you Coyote? Are you in the SF Bay area right now?

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I'm so glad to hear that your galley suits you for entertaining. Most people prefer propane. I prefer not to have it aboard. Different strokes for different folks.

And, the shower thing--we still either heat water on the stovetop and pour it in our solar shower bag, or let it sit in the sun. Typically it seems we want to shower late enough in the evening that the "solar" warmth is gone from the bag, thus we end up heating water for the shower if we want it hot. Our forecastle (a room all the way forward where the anchor locker, extra anchors, lines and such live) is spacious and is set up as a wet room with its own shower floor and two drains pumped outside. We use it as a very nice "shower room" but must hang the solar shower up since no real plumbing there for a shower. It works but is a multi-step process to get hot water in the shower.

A dedicated stateroom. Yes, we have one--but don't really use it anymore. It has a double bed and we end up doing "projects" on the bed or staging things for projects there so it's always full of stuff. We end up sleeping in the (double bed) pilot-style berth that is accessed by hinging up a seat in the charthouse. The bed goes under the seat outboard under the side deck, and under the bridgedeck (feet). No privacy, but we don't have to make the bed in the morning--we just put the seat back over it! That part is very nice.

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The places in the SF Bay area we liked most--

1. Drakes Bay (outside the Bay, but close) anchoring

2. Sailing around the Farallon Islands (no anchoring but really nice)

3. Belvedere Cove (best views in the Bay) SFYC stay

4. The Potato Slough anchoring

5. The Montezuma Slough anchoring

Places that we ended up a lot for logistics reasons, nice people or yacht club or right distance from other things and that were sort of cool for some reason or another--

1. Mare Island Straight anchoring. Gotta be amazed by that current in the Napa River. Logistically good--showers and such at the Vallejo Yacht Club, walking distance to a post office and a ferry to San Francisco.

2. China Camp anchoring. Pretty and a good "between" place.

3. Paradise Cove anchoring. same as 2.

4. Brisbane Marina. They were clean, inexpensive, and very nice. The let us keep a car in the lot off and on for months even though we only stayed there about 1x/month for a few days each time to provision and go visit relatives in nearby Mountain View.

A place I could live aboard for a long time with a smile on my face-- Half Moon Bay at anchor. The people are nice, the harbor anchoring field protected, I love fog (gotta to live there!) and all the seals, birds, and fish. Similarly, I could spend a lifetime exploring the Sacramento Delta.

Places where we thought we'd go and did not because we had no time included Sausalito (we went on a friend's boat, though) and Clipper Cove.
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Thanks for the list. I love Clipper Cove. Quiet, protected, easy. Usually pretty lonely. Within dinghy distance of food and beer if that's what you want.

I like HMB, too. If you are going back past ever, check out Moss Landing.

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The places in the SF Bay area we liked most--

1. Drakes Bay (outside the Bay, but close) anchoring

2. Sailing around the Farallon Islands (no anchoring but really nice)

3. Belvedere Cove (best views in the Bay) SFYC stay

4. The Potato Slough anchoring

5. The Montezuma Slough anchoring

Places that we ended up a lot for logistics reasons, nice people or yacht club or right distance from other things and that were sort of cool for some reason or another--

1. Mare Island Straight anchoring. Gotta be amazed by that current in the Napa River. Logistically good--showers and such at the Vallejo Yacht Club, walking distance to a post office and a ferry to San Francisco.

2. China Camp anchoring. Pretty and a good "between" place.

3. Paradise Cove anchoring. same as 2.

4. Brisbane Marina. They were clean, inexpensive, and very nice. The let us keep a car in the lot off and on for months even though we only stayed there about 1x/month for a few days each time to provision and go visit relatives in nearby Mountain View.

A place I could live aboard for a long time with a smile on my face-- Half Moon Bay at anchor. The people are nice, the harbor anchoring field protected, I love fog (gotta to live there!) and all the seals, birds, and fish. Similarly, I could spend a lifetime exploring the Sacramento Delta.

Places where we thought we'd go and did not because we had no time included Sausalito (we went on a friend's boat, though) and Clipper Cove.
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