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Old 06-06-2011, 03:06 AM   #57
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On another note from my rant above I did go look at a yacht today in Port Penrhyn, Bangor, North Wales.

It was a 'Carter 35, 1979, sailing cruiser, Yanmar 2QM20 18hp diesel' £12,500

What a sad state of affairs. I was told on the phone she just needs a few days work on her to get her ready and she is parked out of the water, outside the owners house on a cradle for storage.

The images on the web show her on the cradle and what looks like a stripped hull ready for painting. She reads okay on first read but on inspection not quite what it seems.

It's an entire strip-out and rebuild. Full blown project boat.

Rod Headlee, thanks for the heads up on the state of what you might actually go to see.

As soon as I rode up the hill with a spectacular view out over the Irish Sea, I was elevated from sea-level to about 300ft above in seconds.

Anyway, near the top of the hill as I rounded a corner into houses scattered around like a town forgotten and neglected, I spotted this great big white blot on the landscape straight ahead.

This yacht was on a cradle all right, but immediately had I been told it's true state on the phone i'd have ran a mile.

It looks like it has spent about 10 years on the cradle in all weathers and not an inclining of anything being covered.

As I got closer the mast was off and laid on the ground, why they did this I don't know, I suppose it would have fallen over if it was upright with rot, (this is not 100% true, it may be fine under the surface as I may be exaggerating a bit because of the state of the entire boat). Looks like it has been there for the same 10 years though.

Okay, all sail ropes and mast shrouds etc can be replaced. The alloy mast is well weathered and corroded, but it may clean up to be fine for another few years.

incase not, then needs a new mast.

Standing rigging, needs replaced.

The entire top deck has a few years of green mould and a couple of little patches of fungi which I just had to kick out of where it was growing.

every pulley, attachments, rope clamps etc are almost seized or corroded.

I pulled one sail rope apart in front of the owner. It was so rotten and mouldy it had rotted through.

The entire inside has been weathered/battered around so much she really needs re-fitted head-to-toe, but this wouldn't stop her being on the water so could be done.

The engine, box, shaft, prop have been left for about 10 years also. I just have to show a pic of this when I get them off the camera.

I asked the owner when she was last turned over or in use. Mumble,mumble I think he said.

The exhaust, is that what that thing was.

Every nut and bolt on the engine and box are seized or going to snap as soon as you touch them. Some will go from 15mm down to 12mm before you get a chance to have any hope of using a spanner on them.

The entire woodwork is bare on the top deck and some is wet and needs replacing.

I have to stop here because it just gets worse

I never even bothered looking at the sails as I knew what I was going to be looking at.

£12,500 was wanted. ($20,400 us)

So after the look around the owner asked me what I thought?

I wanted the earth to open up and get me away quick from him because I ripped him to bits for having the cheek to place an advert for a pile a rotten junk which is basically now just a shell to start from again and call it a boat.

I asked why it had come to be in such a state of neglect and abuse, mumble, mumble again.

It used to be a beautiful boat in it's day and he is stuck in his head it will be again but doesn't see the boat is a total re-build project and worthless.

I left him with an offer of £1,500 and said this would be a favour to be rid of it from where it is because if it sits there any longer it's going to become entombed on the spot.

So if anyone wants a yacht, like I knew already, keep away from UK owned/priced yachts as they are living in cuckoo land over here with what they think their boats are worth.

They seem to think the book price for a mint condition boat is what theres is worth.

i'm going to look at a few more scattered around.

This is what I went to see.

http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/...mentID=3275823

i'll post back tomorrow after I go look again somewhere else.
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Have you noticed what is in the states is twice as much boat for the same price, well nearly or the same boat for almost half the price. Nothing in the UK is worth it unless it becomes under half the asking price.

That is a 1979 32' boat, and very nice outside, I actually love the look of her in the pictures as she looks very well maintained and clean but 32' I will not buy. I have set my target at 34' min, but i would prefer 36' - 38' range.

The boat is £25,900 ($42,230!!)

If it was big enough i'd only offer half of that.

I am only looking to spend £12,000 sterling, ($19500 us) MAX

For this i'm now looking in the price range of £14,000 - £24,000, ($22,000- $39,000) until i can get one on my original £12000 I actually have.

Feel free to search the UK but you will see we have the worst prices anywhere in the world for boats and yachts.

Saying that you may find a jewel or two among them.
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Have you noticed what is in the states is twice as much boat for the same price, well nearly or the same boat for almost half the price. Nothing in the UK is worth it unless it becomes under half the asking price.

That is a 1979 32' boat, and very nice outside, I actually love the look of her in the pictures as she looks very well maintained and clean but 32' I will not buy. I have set my target at 34' min, but i would prefer 36' - 38' range.

The boat is £25,900 ($42,230!!)

If it was big enough i'd only offer half of that.

I am only looking to spend £12,000 sterling, ($19500 us) MAX

For this i'm now looking in the price range of £14,000 - £24,000, ($22,000- $39,000) until i can get one on my original £12000 I actually have.

Feel free to search the UK but you will see we have the worst prices anywhere in the world for boats and yachts.

Saying that you may find a jewel or two among them.
Three important matters that should be factored in when buying a boat in the USA for delivery to the UK and that is the cost of a delivery crew, the cost of commissioning the boat for the Atlantic passage and the VAT that UK customs will levy on the boat.

Whereas the Rival mentioned is already in Scotland and the tax PAID.
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I think if you go aboard more boats you will find that 32' is not that much smaller than 34', and indeed it all depends on the make and model of the boat. Some 34' boats will have a much bigger cockpit and smaller cabin and actually have less space than a 32' boat with smaller cockpit and bigger cabin, etc.

Take a look at Freedom yachts. Even the ketches (especially the ketches). No need to replace standing rigging if there isn't any!

Also look at Watkins. I love their 32/33 model, and they have a nice 36 as well. These were very stoutly built boats!

Cal also made a lot of good boats- many in the sailboat hall of fame!
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I think if you go aboard more boats you will find that 32' is not that much smaller than 34', and indeed it all depends on the make and model of the boat. Some 34' boats will have a much bigger cockpit and smaller cabin and actually have less space than a 32' boat with smaller cockpit and bigger cabin, etc.

Take a look at Freedom yachts. Even the ketches (especially the ketches). No need to replace standing rigging if there isn't any!

Also look at Watkins. I love their 32/33 model, and they have a nice 36 as well. These were very stoutly built boats!

Cal also made a lot of good boats- many in the sailboat hall of fame!
Seafarer, spot on regarding the LOA measurement vs Actual space. One of my first monohulls a Nantucket Island 33 - designed by Peter Cole, had more space than any 36ft boat. The aft cabin had a king size bed, the cabin was separate to the saloon - giving real privacy. NANTUCKET ISLAND Laidback.jpg
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Hey guys! just wanted to ask where or how can i inquire about Yacht Charter
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Hey guys! just wanted to ask where or how can i inquire about Yacht Charter
That should be easy just visit the link that you provided in your question

(B.T.W the link was removed because we don't encourage posts of this kind)
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Three important matters that should be factored in when buying a boat in the USA for delivery to the UK and that is the cost of a delivery crew, the cost of commissioning the boat for the Atlantic passage and the VAT that UK customs will levy on the boat.

Whereas the Rival mentioned is already in Scotland and the tax PAID.
I hear what you are saying,

I have worked alll this out already as I'm not going to be paying any vat on her. I can come back home with her as long as I don't import her to the UK. I know it can be more money for others to do if they want to buy cheap abroad to import and them pay someone to ship it back to them and get the boat up to EU standards. This is not what i'm planning as I don't have this sort of money.

I have a budget to stick too and have already gone up but i'm not prepared to go up any more. I'm not looking for a first class fitted, royalty or luxury crusier with a price tag to match the high life of rich people, i'm looking for a cheap bargain which is for the average person of the world on little money. I don't own a house to sell in life any more.

I need a hand anyway where-ever I am in the world till I learn to sail myself confidently so I will take crew from the off where it's the UK or the USA, this is not an extra expense for me to worry about.

Month upon month I will have money to do many repairs and jobs on the move but i'm not waiting months and months to save up more money to buy a fully re-built boat at over the odds of the asking price.

I'd rather be on the move on the water as I'm well able to do a lot of the running repairs myself.

At present I could live on the boat till she is ready for the water again, a lot cheaper than I am paying in costs to live just now.

I'm not getting a yacht to be sailing around the world into marinas and expensive docks and eating in restaurants or entertaining in upper-class places. My idea of fun will be to moore up in the back of beyond where there are no humans or very little.

I know what you are saying but this have been gone over already by me in this post.
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I think if you go aboard more boats you will find that 32' is not that much smaller than 34', and indeed it all depends on the make and model of the boat. Some 34' boats will have a much bigger cockpit and smaller cabin and actually have less space than a 32' boat with smaller cockpit and bigger cabin, etc.

Take a look at Freedom yachts. Even the ketches (especially the ketches). No need to replace standing rigging if there isn't any!

Also look at Watkins. I love their 32/33 model, and they have a nice 36 as well. These were very stoutly built boats!

Cal also made a lot of good boats- many in the sailboat hall of fame!
Hi there Seafarer, thanks for the makes and types, i'm looking at everything out there in the world. I know some boats are more roomy inside than others that may be larger over-alI. I want to be in deep water a lot so this is why I want a larger overall boat. 36'-38' is a good size for singlehanding as is the 32'-34' range but i'd rather get a bigger one that way need some work done as opposed to a smaller one ready to go and never be happy because in the back of my mind I've read too many stories and journeys now to feel as safe in a smaller boat. It's also harder work in a smaller one on rough seas.

The larger size will also be easier on the waters waves which i'm also thinking about.
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And now I see you can have a 34' yacht that is smaller in the water than a 32' yacht.

For this I eat my words and apoligize to you all, simply for me not seeing this and thinking you were taking me off my original plans of 34' - 38'

An example:

11m Bristol Sloop 1973

34' 8" LOA

23' 9" LWL

32' Rival 1979

31' 10" LOA

24' 6" LWL
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32' Rival 32
  • Year: 1979
  • Current Price: £ 25,950 Tax Paid
  • Located in Rhu Marina, United Kingdom
I left a ridiculous offer on her and it would actually serve two purposes in one hit if the owner accepts.

Me with egg on my face for having a go at you all for me thinking you are trying to get me to spend more than I want on a boat.

The other purpose it would serve is me, and very well. I love her looks and shape/design but not getting my hopes up at this stage.

I’ll let you know what I left as an offer once she is sold as I don’t think she will be around for too long.

Just because things are over-priced over here in the UK it doesn’t mean they don't sell.

MMNETSEA, can I have some humble pie?

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I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that you'll be safer in rough seas in a larger boat, especially one that is only 2-6' larger. There are 24' boats that are perfectly safe enough to take around the world. I have even considered selling my 35' that needs work to buy a 24' that doesn't and just start cruising now.

The good people of this forum talked me out of it, of course, citing the ability of my larger boat to carry more provisions and travel much faster. There is much more difference between a 24' and a 35' than there is between a 32 and a 38, though.

Still, if I hadn't already fallen into an excellent deal on what I have I'd be looking for 24-32' boats and focusing on the smaller end of my scale to keep associated costs down. Everything costs less on a smaller boat!
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32' Rival 32
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I left a ridiculous offer on her and it would actually serve two purposes in one hit if the owner accepts.

Me with egg on my face for having a go at you all for me thinking you are trying to get me to spend more than I want on a boat.

The other purpose it would serve is me, and very well. I love her looks and shape/design but not getting my hopes up at this stage.

I’ll let you know what I left as an offer once she is sold as I don’t think she will be around for too long.

Just because things are over-priced over here in the UK it doesn’t mean they don't sell.

MMNETSEA, can I have some humble pie?
No ways eat humble pie. Our discussions have been very good, insofar as being able to highlight some of the issues when searching for a boat. What appeals is a very personal thing. The reason for thousands of boat designs, shapes and sizes really demonstrates the need to satisfy human diverse perspectives on what would suit their needs and aspirations.

It might a good opportunity to explore in more detail the cost of commissioning a boat to cross the Atlantic, the cost of a delivery crew, the process of arriving in the UK by boat without going through customs. Also getting a fix on what VAT would be levied depending on the age of the boat, its value and also if the boat is brought in as personal effects where the boat cannot be sold for a period - thus avoiding tax. Some research welcomed.

Stealth, thanks very much for sharing your ideas.
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No ways eat humble pie. Our discussions have been very good, insofar as being able to highlight some of the issues when searching for a boat. What appeals is a very personal thing. The reason for thousands of boat designs, shapes and sizes really demonstrates the need to satisfy human diverse perspectives on what would suit their needs and aspirations.

It might a good opportunity to explore in more detail the cost of commissioning a boat to cross the Atlantic, the cost of a delivery crew, the process of arriving in the UK by boat without going through customs. Also getting a fix on what VAT would be levied depending on the age of the boat, its value and also if the boat is brought in as personal effects where the boat cannot be sold for a period - thus avoiding tax. Some research welcomed.

Stealth, thanks very much for sharing your ideas.
Hey no problem, and too all, the couple of posts of mine before this are out of character.

I'll make the excuse as I stopped smoking, third week now after 28 years, simply went cold turkey on it, and I seem to be snapping at what people are saying, sorry all, i'll watch my mouth for the next few weeks till the side-effects go away.

All i'll say is it's not as easy to stop smoking as non-smokers will keep telling you.

I only did this so I can get fitter again as I don't want to be in the middle of rough weather and suddenly need a fag to calm me down, I'd rather have adrenilin pumping through me, much more fun.

I got a phone-call on a 46' yacht with extensive work being done over her life-time and excellent survey.

She is moored in the South of France.

This is as much as I know till I get another e-mail showing me what the yacht is. I'll be back in here when I know. Price is out of my range but i'll have a go.
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