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Old 06-12-2011, 12:18 AM   #85
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The C&C 34 definitely not a cruising boat, also the cored hulls of that era need special attention from the surveyor.
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The C&C 34 definitely not a cruising boat, also the cored hulls of that era need special attention from the surveyor.
G'day 'Sir Richard', I thank you. - 'stealth' - pay much attention to both matters 'Sir Richard' has raised. I beleive yachts like the C&C 34 were perimarily designed to exploit the 'rules' & to fit into the IOR 'racing rules' catagory & are not necessarily very 'sea-kindly', roomy or comfortable & are notoriously difficult to sail & a 'son-of-a-gun' to sail down-wind or off the breaze, (with the exception of the S&S 34'). Now IMHO after 50 plus years building yachts - Richard's comment "the cored hulls of that era need special attention from the surveyor" is the understatement of all time. 'SPECIAL' attention is for sure. I'm not so sure that a surveyor could pick-up any delanination or wetness problems associated with a 'cored hull'. No surveyor that I've met in 50 years can as they all phone me to come & do a hands-on sight inspection which can take me up to 2 days in order to find out the total truth of the structural integrity of the hull & deck structure & advise the prospective buyer of just what he's getting into. I'm not sure I would buy a 'cored hull' & I am personally able to fix all those associated problems myself. Again - thanks Richard for bringing these points up as I'm sure many more cruisers will learn much about the possible difficulties associated with some yachts that are on the market. I feel anyone wishing to purchase should ask themselves - very carefully - why is this yacht being sold? Is there a problem with it that is not being mentioned? Again 'stealth' good luck - we're all behind you! Ciao, james
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G'day 'Sir Richard', I thank you. - 'stealth' - pay much attention to both matters 'Sir Richard' has raised. I beleive yachts like the C&C 34 were perimarily designed to exploit the 'rules' & to fit into the IOR 'racing rules' catagory & are not necessarily very 'sea-kindly', roomy or comfortable & are notoriously difficult to sail & a 'son-of-a-gun' to sail down-wind or off the breaze, (with the exception of the S&S 34'). Now IMHO after 50 plus years building yachts - Richard's comment "the cored hulls of that era need special attention from the surveyor" is the understatement of all time. 'SPECIAL' attention is for sure. I'm not so sure that a surveyor could pick-up any delanination or wetness problems associated with a 'cored hull'. No surveyor that I've met in 50 years can as they all phone me to come & do a hands-on sight inspection which can take me up to 2 days in order to find out the total truth of the structural integrity of the hull & deck structure & advise the prospective buyer of just what he's getting into. I'm not sure I would buy a 'cored hull' & I am personally able to fix all those associated problems myself. Again - thanks Richard for bringing these points up as I'm sure many more cruisers will learn much about the possible difficulties associated with some yachts that are on the market. I feel anyone wishing to purchase should ask themselves - very carefully - why is this yacht being sold? Is there a problem with it that is not being mentioned? Again 'stealth' good luck - we're all behind you! Ciao, james
James,

You are absolutely right ! The problem with that type of hull construction is that the boat has to be out on the hard for some time - otherwise moisture readings will not be helpful in determining the extent of penetration. An experienced surveyor will be able to find 'soft' spots and will know if de-lamination has occurred with the 'tap-tap' system. Then the use of ultra sound will be able to find specific areas of concern.

I have drilled 1/4" holes in a Cape North near the bottom of its integral keel . When I did vinegar smelling liquid spurted out for some hours. Later plugged the holes with glass and epoxy.
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While we were anchored in Bermuda (St Georges) we saw plenty of boats in the 28-34 foot range with single and double crews on them - flying flags from France and Italy mostly. Some in rather worn condition but all appear to be living the life of cruisers - tanned and happy!

On one that looked to be around 30' - as the skipper pulled up the hook and set sail, a lady came out from below with a baby in her arms! Comfort is a matter of how we define it I guess.
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I hear all three of you and will add it to my list of (avoid as suspect).

Also the comments of the C&C's are also taken with great inside from you all here.

I'll carry on my search and I have widened to Europe but they come up in a lot of searches I do anyway.

I'll work from town to town around the med to see what I can find.

Thanks all.
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PEARSON

LOA: 35'0'' (10.7 m)

Year: Mfg 1977 / M 1977

MFG: PEARSON

Model: 35

$23,500

http://www.yachtcouncil.com/Used/35'0''(10.7m)/1977/PEARSON-for-sale-in-IL?Boatsforsalesearch=basicinfo&vessel=100679

Apart from what the survey may show this one is on my list of one to look out for.

If it checks out i'm sure it could be £10,000, ($16000usd) which would give me a couple of thousand to help commission her.


Also this one, although older, she has had a lot of new items and seems over-all in good used condition.

The engine is also little used hours wise, if true another bonus.



LOA:
34'0'' (10.4 m)

Year: Mfg 1969 / M 1969

MFG: ISLANDER YACHTS

http://www.yachtcouncil.com/Used/34'0''(10.4m)/1969/ISLANDER+YACHTS-for-sale-in-CA?Boatsforsalesearch=basicinfo&vessel=99850
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And 1 more I like the look of.

$29900

1979 S2 11a 36'

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/22395

Again with-in my price range if it comes down a bit from asking price.

I shall carry on searching.
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Hi again all,

I have a columbia 35', 1979 model in my sights just now, very good inventory, loads of new and good items added. Recently had her hauled and painted.

What I want, a masthead Sloop, fin keel and ready to actually go with-out any hidden extras or surprises. This has all that and more.

Been in touch a couple of times and making progress.

She is down on the Virgin Islands.

She is up for $24,900.

Now i'm told it was meant to be $29900 and he made a mistake but will honor the price as advertised. ( I also know the price is the real price and saying it was the wrong price is a great little mind-game to play on people, toss-pot he is, must think I have idiot stamped on my forehead).

I got him to email some pics and he has gone and posted them on yachtworld.com instead.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself and sees every human as a source of money, a very greedy and bad human being.

I say this because I asked about the yacht and suddenly I ask and it is now worth it's weight in gold.

If i'm interested, maybe others are so he is now playing at being a complete toss-pot as a broker/agent.

He let one thing slip and that was the owners name so i'm trying to get in touch and let them know i'm interested but I refuse to deal with there bent agent.

This yacht, along with maybe only 2 others I've seen, are in what I would call very good condition for the price.

Please let nothing be wrong with this shape, design or hold any hidden dangers or stress factors as I like this particular model of a later built Columbia.

I await all your opinions on this one.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=235679 2&ybw=&hosturl=southerntrades&&ywo=southerntrades& &units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=1726&url=&hos turl=southerntrades&&ywo=southerntrades&

The link is not the agent i've been dealing with on this yacht.

Seems the whole world will sell you a boat from anywhere in the world.

I'm beginning to really detest and hate agents/brokers.
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Hi again all,

I have a columbia 35', 1979 model in my sights just now, very good inventory, loads of new and good items added. Recently had her hauled and painted.

What I want, a masthead Sloop, fin keel and ready to actually go with-out any hidden extras or surprises. This has all that and more.

Been in touch a couple of times and making progress.

She is down on the Virgin Islands.

She is up for $24,900.

Now i'm told it was meant to be $29900 and he made a mistake but will honor the price as advertised. ( I also know the price is the real price and saying it was the wrong price is a great little mind-game to play on people, toss-pot he is, must think I have idiot stamped on my forehead).

I got him to email some pics and he has gone and posted them on yachtworld.com instead.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself and sees every human as a source of money, a very greedy and bad human being.

I say this because I asked about the yacht and suddenly I ask and it is now worth it's weight in gold.

If i'm interested, maybe others are so he is now playing at being a complete toss-pot as a broker/agent.

He let one thing slip and that was the owners name so i'm trying to get in touch and let them know i'm interested but I refuse to deal with there bent agent.

This yacht, along with maybe only 2 others I've seen, are in what I would call very good condition for the price.

Please let nothing be wrong with this shape, design or hold any hidden dangers or stress factors as I like this particular model of a later built Columbia.

I await all your opinions on this one.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=235679 2&ybw=&hosturl=southerntrades&&ywo=southerntrades& &units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=1726&url=&hos turl=southerntrades&&ywo=southerntrades&

The link is not the agent i've been dealing with on this yacht.

Seems the whole world will sell you a boat from anywhere in the world.

I'm beginning to really detest and hate agents/brokers.
Hi Stealth,

I agree the presentation of that boat is like someone selling snake oil. It is loaded with information that is generally misleading - just how something can be described as new when that may have been the case 5 years ago, beats me. And on the other hand padding the boats specification with stuff like :-

"16-piece “Tropical Print” Melamine dinnerware set – new ‘06

20-piece Bamboo flatware set – new ’06

Collapsible dish rack – new ‘06

Anodized aluminum tea kettle – new ‘06

Coffee press – new ‘06"


A pretty useless set of electronics - also fitting in the word 'new'

The ground tackle with longest bit of chain 25ft is not good enough for a cruising boat.

One photo shows the inflatable dinghy - but the specs don't even mention it.

Dinghy as well.jpg

Doyle genoa in very good condition – new ‘94 -- 17 years old!!!!

It is the first time that I have seen the disclaimer inserted at the beginning of a boats specification and at the end. (covering their backs!?)

There is so much more in the way of slight of hand, that can best be described as BS.

This is one of the worst broker write ups that I've seen.

However, if all the spurious padding and age BS is removed, maybe the boat is worth <20K US ?
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Hi Stealth,

I agree the presentation of that boat is like someone selling snake oil. It is loaded with information that is generally misleading - just how something can be described as new when that may have been the case 5 years ago, beats me. And on the other hand padding the boats specification with stuff like :-

"16-piece “Tropical Print” Melamine dinnerware set – new ‘06

20-piece Bamboo flatware set – new ’06

Collapsible dish rack – new ‘06

Anodized aluminum tea kettle – new ‘06

Coffee press – new ‘06"


A pretty useless set of electronics - also fitting in the word 'new'

The ground tackle with longest bit of chain 25ft is not good enough for a cruising boat.

One photo shows the inflatable dinghy - but the specs don't even mention it.

Doyle genoa in very good condition – new ‘94 -- 17 years old!!!!

It is the first time that I have seen the disclaimer inserted at the beginning of a boats specification and at the end. (covering their backs!?)

There is so much more in the way of slight of hand, that can best be described as BS.

This is one of the worst broker write ups that I've seen.

However, if all the spurious padding and age BS is removed, maybe the boat is worth <20K US ?
I've learnt a bit of reading between the lines on BS.

I will use what they post or say against them as a bargaining chip so it will be in my favour.

New in 94' I thought this was a good one.

25ft of chain, great for towing fish on the end of a line but yes totally useless.

Padded out to the gunnels with crap we would say here in scotland (Although i'm in England at present).

I'm really having a hard time with my brother, my fault, as I am badgering him to come with me as my surveyor but he is moaning about time off work, etc, etc,

I'll keep at this one though.
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Are any of you seeing or affected by the Chilean volcano, mount Puyehue.

I'm seeing the ash cloud is drifting across the atlantic and indian ocean.

I'm thinking of you Silver Raven down under, or is it just an airline precation incase the dust gets in the engines, not good, actually very bad.
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Sanyo 13” television

Sony X-Plod CDX-GT200 AM/FM/CD stereo – new 8/08

Two Sony 6.5” XS-MP1620W waterproof cockpit speakers – new 8/08

I thought all yachts had this type of modern day inventions fitted as standard, (sarcasim).

As you say though MMSETSEA, underneath the BS there might be a good decent boat waiting to be commissioned again.

I await further details on her and am closer to finding the actual owner.

It will be interesting to see what they want for her really, compared to what the agent is selling her for.
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Sanyo 13” television

Sony X-Plod CDX-GT200 AM/FM/CD stereo – new 8/08

Two Sony 6.5” XS-MP1620W waterproof cockpit speakers – new 8/08

I thought all yachts had this type of modern day inventions fitted as standard, (sarcasim).

As you say though MMSETSEA, underneath the BS there might be a good decent boat waiting to be commissioned again.

I await further details on her and am closer to finding the actual owner.

It will be interesting to see what they want for her really, compared to what the agent is selling her for.
Stealth,

I guess if one was on holiday in the BVI, it might be worthwhile having a look at that boat - otherwise it appears to be one those for sale that has lot more wrong with it than is being disclosed. EG. does the engine and transmission actually work?. Is the mast on the deck? etc..

Perhaps, Back to the drawing board. Maybe to rethink your project in terms of your objectives for the next few years.

C L I C K

Another C L I C K

[url="http://yachts.apolloduck.com/listings.phtml?view=1&layout=1&cid=206&fx=USD&minv =15000&maxv=28000&minl=1005.84&maxl=1341.12&ymin=1 976&ymax=1994&sort=0&limit=25&type=1"]And Another[/url

ALSO THIS ONE

ANOTHER COLUMBIA

ANOTHER CLOSE BY

AND H E R E
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Stealth,

I guess if one was on holiday in the BVI, it might be worthwhile having a look at that boat - otherwise it appears to be one those for sale that has lot more wrong with it than is being disclosed. EG. does the engine and transmission actually work?. Is the mast on the deck? etc..

Perhaps, Back to the drawing board. Maybe to rethink your project in terms of your objectives for the next few years.

G'day 'stealth' - keep looking. It 'might' be O.K. BUT - Sir Richard has it right, careful there - maybe O.K. if it was just 'down-the-road'. This almost reads like - if it sounds to good to be true it sure as all heck is probably so ! ! We all wish you well. james

OFF TOPIC

Now Sir Richard, favour Please? - would you look at 'Andaman Cabriolet 39' (in google) being built in Chalong, Phuket, designed by Richard Chamberlain, etc. Might be 'close-enough' to the mark for me to go & have a look-see. About 8 things wrong with it that are - long-term - very short-sighted, but I'm sure I could get them changed. All in all - not bad & maybe a 6 out of 10, however with the 'wrongs' - righted - it could easily be a 8 or 8.5 out of 10. At least they have started off going in the correct direction & that's a change for the good. I'd really appreciate your comments & thoughts on this one. It's possible that many more multihull minded people in 'forums' might learn a lot about - how/where to start to pick the 'right' multihull. Another topic heading maybe ??? Thanks, james
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