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Old 01-14-2008, 07:21 PM   #1
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All, we keep hearing rumors that some US EPA No Discharge Zones (NDZ) do not allow discharge of gray water. I was just online looking into this and it appears that the US EPA NDZ requirements are simply for black water NOT gray water.

So, do any of you know for sure (seen it in writing) of a NDZ that requires gray water to be held in a holding tank as well? This question is about the USA but I'd also like to hear if there are international NDZ that require holding of gray water as well.

We are in the process of installing our tanks and have the chance (now) to put in a holding tank for gray water but don't want to do so if there's no reason to.

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You might be thinking about the potential requirement by the EPA that all recreational boats get discharge permits for ALL discharges, including bilge water and gray water.

A post on this issue was made in another forum (a little outdated now).

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EPA Discharge Permit Requirement for Recreational Boats

Dear BoatUS Member,

For 34 years the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has exempted discharges from recreational boats from the Clean Water Act permit system. Regretfully, a recent court ruling cancelled this permit exemption. EPA is required by the court decision to develop and implement by September 30, 2008 a national permit system for ALL vessels in the United States for a variety of normal operational discharges.

We have been working behind the scenes with other boating organizations to get the exemption reinstated for recreational boats. Fortunately, the Recreational Boating Act of 2007 (H.R. 2550) has been introduced by Representatives Gene Taylor (D-Miss) and Candice Miller (R-Mich) which would protect recreational boats from being swept into this unnecessary and expensive permitting system.

It is critically important that H.R. 2550 be passed and your support is essential. Please contact your Congressman and Senators TODAY and ask that they co-sponsor or support H.R. 2550.

If the permit system becomes a reality, you will be required to pay for a state permit for each of your boats. EPA will be monitoring your deck runoff, grey water, bilge water, engine cooling water, and the use of copper bottom paints.

The original lawsuit that led to this court decision sought to address ballast water discharges from large ocean-going ships, which can introduce damaging aquatic invasive species into U.S. waters. Keeping our waterways clean and preventing the spread of invasive species is of utmost importance to the future of boating. But taking a complex permitting system designed for industrial dischargers and applying it to recreational boats will not yield significant environmental benefits and it will come at a very high cost. Requiring recreational boaters to purchase a permit would not prevent the spread of invasive species.

BoatUS has been a leader in educating boaters about Clean Boating practices for more than a decade. Our nonprofit Foundation has funded local education projects on invasive species prevention, helped develop voluntary Clean Marina programs, and authored much of the country's Clean Boating outreach. These positive education efforts are making a difference.

Please ask your elected federal representatives to support H.R. 2550. It is common-sense legislation. As you send your emails to your Members of Congress, please copy BoatUS at GovtAffairs@BoatUS.com . Wed also like to ask you to send a copy of your correspondence to the EPA, so they can see how this will affect citizens. However, please know that if you choose to send it to EPA, it will become a part of the public record. EPAs email is ow-docket@epa.gov , and your email needs to have a subject line with Docket ID No. OW-2007-0483.

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You might be thinking about the potential requirement by the EPA that all recreational boats get discharge permits for ALL discharges, including bilge water and gray water.

A post on this issue was made in another forum (a little outdated now).


Gulp. They need to find someone else to go pick on.
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Was the Recreational Boating Act of 2007 (H.R. 2550) actually signed into law ? If it was, when will its requirements come into force ?

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I just went to the Boat US web site, and as of November 28, 2007 it appears it has gone to the Senate and it is now known as H.R. 2550/S. 2067. They are still asking all US boaters to email their congressmen to encourage passage of this bill. It could languish forever if there is no strong show of interest.
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