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Old 07-04-2007, 07:18 AM   #1
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The attached photograph was sent to me from a friend in the shipping industry. It was taken as the vessel was entering Suez on a voyage from Malaysia. Somewhere during their voyage they added a few more boxes to the pond for us folk in little boats to hit and sink us! Nice thought!

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Old 07-05-2007, 04:57 AM   #2
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Not good. There needs to be a way to track these things once they fall off ships.
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Not Good. Track Conex Containers? No. You put your junk in our oceans, retrieve it. Recycle what you can, the rest to the landfill. Yes it was an accident. Well where do we draw the line; how many miles from the shore, and to what depth.

In the Northern US, we have a hearty winter. Lake surfaces freeze. Ice fishing season follows. First fishermen walk on the ice, as it gets thicker we drive vehicles on the ice. Some drive to soon. Ice does not support the vehicle weight. Ice breaks. Truck is in the water. Law DEMANDS get it out. Every insurance policy has exclusion. No Coverage. Costs big BUCK$! Just to get truck out of the drink, PLUS environmental fines, PLUS truck electrical system and computer system is shot; truck is totaled, need new truck. Did I mention no insurance? Loan payment on wet truck is still due. It happens every year, in many places, many times. Confucius Says: Fish at Market, Cheap.
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Old 07-05-2007, 07:14 AM   #4
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Cute Photoshopped photo.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:08 AM   #5
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JeanneP,

It is not a "Photoshopped" photo - if you want to see the rest of the photographs, from different angles, I will post them.

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Old 07-05-2007, 09:17 AM   #6
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I just googled 'shipping containers lost at sea' and came up with 1000's of hits. The most conservative estimate of the numbers of containers lost each year is 2000, which represents 0.005% of the total number of containers shipped across oceans in a year. Take a look at the following report and pix http://www.veromarine.co.nz/dirvz/marine/m...hotoFeature0007

Imagine 2,000 containers full of flip flops, lingerie and tellys.....and yachting hardware....'n' other t'riffic stuff.

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Old 07-05-2007, 10:01 AM   #7
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Sorry, John, I was a bit hasty there. the photo does look a bit odd to me, I didn't expect the remaining containers to be left in such disarray and liable to further loss overboard.
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I didn't expect the remaining containers to be left in such disarray and liable to further loss overboard.
At this point the skipper can not do much if anything, to restore a sense of order with his cargo. He needs to get under a crane. Even than the task at hand will be dangerous, and extra time consuming. Moving the wrong container, or in the wrong way, could cause many more to topple.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:08 PM   #9
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And I just recently read an article about a new "SUPER " container ship that can carry 15,000 containers!!! Imagine that one losing 10 % of it's load.
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Soon it will be like sailing through a mine field. It seems to me that we have cheap enough technology to enable a container EPIRB system on every container that remains floating. If the container sinks, no worries, however if it remains afloat a signal beacon will transmit it's position...even if it is a couple feet below the surface.

I know there are laws requiring ship wrecks to be recovered from beaches, so why not containers?
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Trim50,

Good Points.

Yes tracking loose containers will add costs to shipping, paid for by the end user of the products shipped. I think it most worthy. Our earth belongs to all of us, everyone, every human occupant. We need to take care of it in good fashion, for now and for later use; as that is what we live on and from. How we do that is a different topic.

Can you imagine the contents; some environmentally harmless, while others may contain pallets of drums (barrels) full of chemicals. Those containers would have the diamond shaped placards displayed. Eventually those hypothetical drums will corrode, releasing the contents. Not a good thing.

Why does this happen to cargo vessels. Likely rough seas, maybe improper loading (not nested correctly), maybe one, just one container, at the bottom of the stack, crumpled and failed. Who knows. I have been onboard several cargo vessels during loading and unloading. What I do not recall is on a vessel of this type, is if the Conex Containers are secured.

In any case, OUCH!

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For one that is just getting the urge.

Is there any stories out there of cruisers encountering these containers.
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Cruising yachts colliding with semi submerged shipping containers, is a topic which invokes fear amid the cruising fraternity equal to that generated by piracy and shark attack. It seems every bar has at least one old salt who knew someone, who heard from someone who knew a bloke who drowned, after his yacht hit a shipping container which had fallen from the deck of an ocean going monolith during the big storm of blah blah blah.

Insurance figures would suggest that damage from whale and sunfish strikes is more of a problem than damage caused by clouting containers.**

Almost every year, at least one competitor in the Sydney Hobart yacht race reports hitting a whale or sunfish during the passage, yet there has never been a reported collision with a container. And it is worth noting that Tasmania is an island with a population of 600,000 whose requirements are primarily supplied by shipping.

Most containers do not float for long, will not be lifted by waves, and need only to be a couple of metres down for the danger to small boats to be negated.

There are cases of yachts being damaged or sunk through mid-sea encounters with containers, but details of these cases are surprisingly difficult to find. I would always defer to a genuine expert in the marine insurance business, but it seems to me that the chances of hitting a jettisoned container are somewhat less than the chances of hitting the ship which was carrying it.

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Don't think too much about it...

If you're setting sail, do NOT take a look here.....

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