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Old 01-29-2008, 01:55 PM   #15
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Cliff, cruising friends of ours used to make refrigerator yeast rolls (I think you can find the recipe in the OLD Joy of Cooking), and just bake a few every day or two. that way you could do most of the work one day, and have fresh-baked rolls early in the morning just by popping a few in the oven.

I had a friend who made croissants this way, too - kept them in the fridge and just baked some each morning. Actually, that's how bakeries do it, but with special proofing refrigerator/ovens.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:34 PM   #16
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We use to use our hands for bread while travelling, and I am sure with some effort, and experimenting it could have been accomplished with the breadmaker. I think this Sunday on my day off I will do a couple of loaves, and drive the marina nuts.....LOLOLOLOL
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:15 PM   #17
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I'm kinda hoping that is the case. I bought the 37 inch for Lori so she wouldn't go into shock after having a 50 inch to watch her football on. I then called the manufacturer to determine how many watts the thing draws. It took RCA 4 weeks to get back to me on that question which simply blew me away. Anyhow, it draws 170 Watts!...that is just stupid while cruising.
There's a couple different little gadgets that you plug your 110V appliance into and it "counts" the energy use of the appliance. You simply plug the monitor, breadmaker, whatever, into it and it gives you the usage. Since it varies over time, if you leave it plugged in for a few hours you get a better idea of the average use by the particular appliance.

The "rated" usage by the mfr isn't usually what the appliance will use--it is usually the expected max use. Your monitor MAY draw significantly less than the 170 Watts but the only real way to find out would be to monitor it while it is in use.

Its always a bummer to learn that something uses a lot of energy though...we have a little Shuttle Small Form Factor (SFF) computer that we were intending to use on the boat. However, it consumes more energy on average than our fullsize (tower) computer which happens to have a very efficient motherboard with some kind of hibernate mode for its dual processors. Go figure.
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Couple of small points on the bread makers.

First-they can be a real help if someone is troubled with arthritis.

Second, My wife uses ours frequently- to mix and knead the dough. And for that part it isn't running all that long.

THEN she puts the stuff into bread pans ands bakes it. Makes GREAT cinnamon rolls too.
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Interesting thoughts. I've been trying (sorry, Yoda/Redbopeep) to live a much simpler life at home for a year or so.

Nothing too dramatic and certainly not a one man crusade to save the planet but switching TV's off properly rather than leaving them on standby, walking/cycling to the local shops (which are closer than the supermarket) and eating a bit more healthily. I've also lost all interest in clothes and bling - a curse in my youth - and found that the occasional glass of wine, shot of Mount Gay rum or pint of Guiness is somehow more delicious than the good few of yore - also less damaging the next day!

I haven't quite got to the point where I don't need a car but I do now drive a 1986 Citroen 2CV which bowls me along at unbelievable speeds towards the local municipal golf course and contributes to my friends concerns for my sanity. Our local council also provides me with a free travel pass which enables me to travel on local buses and trains for anything up to 30 miles and this will be extended to the whole of the UK for bus travel in April this year. I haven't yet bitten the bullet on air travel but, if and when I have the cash and courage to buy my dream cruiser, this will, hopefully, become my home and prime mode of transport.

Please don't think that I'm being a goody two shoes in this but I was not a little shocked when I followed Jeanne's pointer to that page with all the battery free devices - the number and variety of torches doing essentially the same thing in the name of eco-awareness somehow defied belief; multiplying this page by similar ones for every product which the human heart desires - including breadmakers - and I had a brief moment of real despair about the modern curse of consumerism.

Not everyone is in a position to even dream about cruising, of course, so how will we persuade the developing world to move to a simpler - quite probably more satisfying way of life - when our western culture seems hell bent on the opposite.

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I was not a little shocked when I followed Jeanne's pointer to that page with all the battery free devices - the number and variety of torches doing essentially the same thing in the name of eco-awareness somehow defied belief; multiplying this page by similar ones for every product which the human heart desires - including breadmakers - and I had a brief moment of real despair about the modern curse of consumerism.
We went through a difficult transition when we returned to the States after 17 years of cruising outside the US. The constant bombardment of ads for everything imaginable, what seems like a pound of paper a week stuffed into our mailbox with all the specials, coupons, "3-day only weekend sale!" I am still uncomfortable with it all. The US has been the Mecca for shoppers for as long as I can remember, but it seems so much more shallow lately.

I think that one of the side effects of traveling as far as we did and spending as much time as we did in so many undeveloped countries is our intolerance for the petty concerns of the modern consumer society. Some of it I genuinely loathe.

Twelve different types of flashlight? Or ten brands of peanut butter? Paris Hilton as a role model?

Enough. Husband Peter and I get going on this topic and we are really annoying - even to ourselves.
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Paris Hilton as a role model?
Precious little to do with sailing. I think the only time she got wet was when she took a bath, with the ubiquitous paparazzi ever present.

But as a role model? Now that goes beyond the realms of fantacy.

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One of the best things about cruising is not being bombarded by all the (usually bad) news on TV. You can focus on the basics--groceries, laundry, water, fuel, friends, getting to know the locals, beautiful scenery, boat projects, sunsets, the "green flash"...[add your own favorites].
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