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Old 10-11-2009, 05:19 PM   #29
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David and I have dreamed heartily of coastal circumnavigation of the Americas--North and South. His dream includes the NW Passage and Cape Horn... mine doesn't. A compromise will have to be struck on that one, for sure

We are avid canoeists, so some of this dreaming began when we read a couple books which were inspiring to us--first one was Paddle to the Amazon

about a couple of guys who literally did that from New England on down. Well, among the books there was The Family Canoe Trip which entails a family of 5 (including a babe in diapers) paddling across Canada in a 20' canoe--tracked by Polar Bears and the like, their adventure was quite dangerous. We spend countless hours practicing our canoe surf landings on Baja in the 80's simply inspired by those paddle to the Amazon fellows. Let me tell ya, there's nothing easy about landing an open (river) canoe in big surf without swamping. We do now have the skill to do it--but with age, no longer the desire

A few other similar books and tales have made us realize that one can explore the world in almost any boat--no matter how big or small--just read David Hays My Old Man and the Sea about father and son sailing from CT down around Cape Horn and back in a 25' Vertue if you're thinking small...or Villiers Cruise of the Conrad if you want to know about using a big! boat for your world cruising...where there's a will there's a way.

Somewhere along the way, our love of sailing took over and we decided that we'd do our tripping via sailboat and then take adventure in a canoe here-and-there along the way. Thus, we have a flush deck boat that can store our 17' canoe without it being "in the way" of the actual sailing. It could be swept off deck during a passage...but that's another issue entirely.

Everyone's dream is different--and everyone's implementation of the dream even more so. Perhaps we'll see you somewhere along the way, Atavist.
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:47 PM   #30
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Some of you on here are very dispressing, you look at every thing and everyone with great suspicion. This is a dream voyage I have had since I was 14 years old. I took sailing lesson's with Jean Lacombe the record breaking French solo sailor about his boat the Seahorse. Now that I am retired, I am contemplating actually making this dream journey. But the nasty " self proclaimed hipster's" on think I am some internet high school jerk. It is true that we live im a hopless unbelieving generation. Thanks, I think some of the real internet jerks are those on this site.
I think that I am the one you should be mad at, and I am sorry if your questions were sincere. I had just been on another web site that seems to have too many guys poking fun at us guys who hope to go cruising one day, and your comment about lawyers just fit in with what they were saying. I probably am a bit of an internet jerk.

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Canoes are indeed great things.... ever do any canoe sailing? That's another itch I have, to do some serious camp/canoe travelling... you obviously couldn't do a circumnav like this but the Amazon would be great....

for little big man... to my mind the problem with steel would be the weight.... if I was doing this I would want a boat light enough that I could kedge it of a beach totally dried up or haul it onto the beach with a stout tree and a bunch of blocks.... which may actually mean little big man is too big even in wood... which is what turns my eye to the sooty tern... a very light little boat.... lots of potential in both
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We've done a lot of wilderness canoing (paddle not sail) trips of a week to a month long up in the Quetico Provincial Park in Ontario Canada. We've also built a sailing rig for one of our canoes (we, at one point, had three canoes--a river canoe, a tripping canoe, and a flatwater racing canoe) and used it quite a bit. There's a class design and you can get plans for building what you need to be able to race in the class from the American Canoing Association.

Sailing a canoe can be very, very fast. Ours was lateen rigged with two leeboards and we used a paddle as a rudder at first, though later we added a rudder. On a run we could put up a rooster tail and had a stern wave so big that it could swamp the boat...you just had to pray that the wind would fall off before you had to gibe or hit shore one or the other.

Sailing a canoe would not be a good way to go tripping though, too wet! Regular paddling works just fine.
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Being completely new to this sport and having 2,000 flight hours but 0 sail boat hours, I want all of you to know that this kind of trip is what is attracting me to sailing. I want to see the world one port at a time and one of my trips is exactly what is described here. I'm at least three years away from even starting on something of this magnitude but all of you need to know that this adventure is a big piece of the appeal - at least it is for me. Once I get through my initial lessons and certification I will be back to reopen this topic and look for some serious counsel on how to do it safely. Is it possible to sail to Alaska? Would love to see that state as well and to get there in a sail boat would be magnificent. I know all about hostile countries as I am currently serving my last combat deployement in Iraq. Retirement and sailing next summer! Regards, John
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Good to hear from you John and the best of luck with your plans and dreams.

Alaska is very do-able by sailing yacht! Feel free to ask any questions you like. You are more than welcome to start planning and asking now. No need to wait until you get back home.

Stay safe

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Old 11-03-2009, 06:52 PM   #35
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You will not need a visa for every country. When you check in you can purchase

all of the entry documents at Immigration Customs or at the Port Captain.

I have sailed this route, Key West to Los Angeles and will NEVER do this

again. The route from Panama north is the the worst. You will have to watch

the weather and have a very good depth gauge for the Bay ofTehuantepec.

Watch the weather pattern for the Central USA, very closely. Winds and sea

can be extreme. The sail along the Pacific side of Baja Calif can be rough

with wind on the nose for days. Some sail 400 miles off shore. I have not

done this. I have always sailed close hauled and bitten the bullet motoring.

There is only a small opportunity to sail. A good motor and large fuel capacity

is essential. Fuel is available at San Carlos and Ensenada. Once you are committed

t is hard to back out after about 3 days.

This is not a pleasure sail.

Why do you want to do this.

If you can ship your boat or hire a delivery crew do it.

The Eastern Pacific from the Canal to California is not for the faint of heart.

I have delivered boats from Puerto Vallarta to Marina del Rey, have been paid

and earned every dime of it.

Look for John Rains book "Cruising ports etc." read it, follow his directions.

At last thought " a sail like this does build character"
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Thanks all for a great topic, I learned more in 10 minutes of reading than I have in 3 months of reading books. New "hope to be" sailor here, currently 30 ft Cruisers powerboat that I spent every weekend of the summer (except 3) on the hook all weekend. I hopefully will pick up a small sailboat this spring and begin the on the water learning process, for now its all books and forums.

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