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Old 06-19-2007, 12:20 PM   #15
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Why does it have to be a nursing home? Would that possibly be a misnomer? I have difficulty with a name for the facilities being built nowadays - "retirement home", "assisted living facility", "age-restricted community" "independent living facility". My mother-in-law moved into one of these, and was very happy there in her small apartment. We enjoyed visiting her and were happy that she was able to maintain her independence as her physical abilities decreased with advanced age.

However I would have hated to live in such a place where one of the weekly social occasions was a memorial service for whomever died that week.

The average age of the place was close to 90, and we felt sorry for a life-long bachelor who moved into the place in his 60s. For many people, such a place is urged on older people because it is preferable (to their families) to their moving in with their children. It should be mentioned that for many older people moving in with their children would be worse than living in one of these places, so they must fill a need for many in our society.

I can easily imagine the older fellow whose wife has just passed away and is feeling lost. Moving into one of these places must feel like a welcome haven for him. And then one day he looks around and sees a lot of people just waiting there until they die. "get me out of here!" could describe his desperation. Yup, any adventure is better than none.

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Old 06-19-2007, 12:38 PM   #16
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Yidaki - I may be a little harsh (mayby a lot). A lot of fiction on the tube but I do not want to see somebody try it when I am around trying to help them out. Way too many people who run out of gas, engins won't start, stearing problems etc.. without adding to the problem of comming out of some old foks home. Just drive in the west coast of Florida some Feb afternoon. I could tell you a few stories.

Althouth with us baby boomers getting older it would make a good story ending however unreal it is for us that have been tossed arround a few too many times.

I should note that I have told my family that I do not want to be in one of those places. Living Will in place. Hmmm, sailing off into the sunset instead of one of those..........Might write a book.
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Old 06-19-2007, 03:44 PM   #17
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Let me add some thing to this thread

I'm 66, my wife is 44 and we cruise a 25 foot Rhodes Meridian. I still work full time as a boat builder.

I have absolutely zero plans to stop as long as I'm physically able to go. My wife can handle the boat as well as I can, so if my capacities reduce, she'll have to take up some slack. We'll probably shorten the trips, but doing it is the thing after all.

My own mother is 86 and until just a very short while ago was still driving the expressways in Houston. She's now been diagnosed with TIA's ( tiny strokes) that make her go to sleep for 10 or 15 second stretches, so she can no longer drive. But she lives in an assisted living apartment and believe me there is some active folks there. She's had a couple of the guys hit on her

Couple other points-

Sir Francis Chichester was 65 I believe when he did his round the world single hand sail. He was quite a bit older than that when he got ill during the OSTAR and had to be taken off his boat, very shortly before he died. He must have been in his mid 70s by then and still racing, singlehand.

Phil Weld was 65 when he won the OSTAR aboard Moxie - his 50 foot trimaran.

Frank Casper was in his late 80s I believe and still sailing Elsie, his double ender. His boat was found wrecked on a reef off Bermuda, with out him aboard. I suspect he went out exactly as he wanted to- sailing offshore

In the Keys some years ago I met a single hander rowing his dinghy out to his ( small) cruising boat. HE was 98.

There are LOTS more too. It isn't the years- it's how well the body holds up. So your tale is definitely within the realm of possible, and in fact, quite plausible.
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Why does it have to be a nursing home? Would that possibly be a misnomer? I have difficulty with a name for the facilities being built nowadays - "retirement home", "assisted living facility", "age-restricted community" "independent living facility". My mother-in-law moved into one of these, and was very happy there in her small apartment. We enjoyed visiting her and were happy that she was able to maintain her independence as her physical abilities decreased with advanced age.
The "nursing home" thing is the unrealistic part of it. If they're in an "assisted living" place, I could see this story happening. But people are in nursing homes because they are physically or mentally in a poor condition that makes them eligible to be there in the nursing home. Its way more than "assisted living."

I'd totally believe the story line if it was some old salts in an assisted living community. My mother lived in a small apartment in such a community for 20 years. My husband's three aunts lived in one of those communities (3 sisters in the same assisted living community) for 15 years until one died, one had dementia and had to be moved to a nursing home, and the last one--well, she's still in the assisted living community.

Old sailors, yes! Some of the best racing sailors I know are over 65 (most are around 70, as a matter of fact). Old nursing home residents breaking out and sailing away....I don't see it though.
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Hi Helen,

Perhaps "uncharted sailboat", is a typo. JeanneP made a point of it. I noticed it also and read it to mean an un-chartered sailboat; which has a different meaning; meaning a sailboat one must fully be in charge of and operate, or not hiring a boat with skipper and crew.

Write your screenplay. From the practical side there is "BELIEVABILITY"; the plot is most likely possible. Believability may depend on how it how it is written.

If you retain the part of "On Suicide Mission" than you need not question "BELIEVABILITY". I think it would be easy to convey suicide mission and have people easily accept that as beleiveable.

I would replace the "Suicide Mission" part of the plot, with "We are fed up with life in a home, or our life as mundane and routine as it is, and want something better out of life."

Age is not the most important factor.

The world has some very active seniors, in good health, exceptional physical condition, of clear mind, think on their feet, remain calm in a crisis, have way more experience and perhaps better experiences than their juniors (the rest of us).

While the younger, more fit, stronger in muscle tone, endurance, lung capacity, may solve problems with brute strength, the older resort to thinking of alternative solutions; maybe planning ahead and preventing problems and situations. Where the older person may not be able to solve a problem with force, they use their mind; apply leverage, tools, knowledge and the like.

We, my first mate and I, are making plans, and preparations to start cruising when we retire. Our goal is to retire at age 60. We hope to have our cursing yacht identified and purchased pre-retirement, or upon retirement. We plan to allow adequate time for outfitting, sea trials, and confidence building, doing coastal cruising, and short off-shore voyages, perhaps to the Caribbean. In other words we want to prove we have the required experience, understand our yacht, and its' equipment, understand how it works and prove it works in all weather, and make adjustments as needed. We want to ensure we are ready and prepared for cruising; than we cast off for places in the seven seas.

We are much like many others, before us, with us, or following us, with our plans.

When do we quit cruising? Not sure; to be determined later. It depends on our health, our desire, if we like what we are doing, having fun, enjoying most of the life style. We can always take a "land-break". We can always shorten the ventures, staying close to land, stay more confined to the MED, the Caribbean, The Gulf of Mexico, The Sea of Cortez. We can always take on a younger crew to assist us, trading and providing our acquired skills, knowledge, living accommodations, an opportunity to sail and cruise, for their labor and man power, at minimal out of pocket expense.

I think there are gadgets and concepts which have not been invented yet, and will be, and will be on the market, before we start, that will make life aboard simpler and easier. Likely electronics, but it could be engineering, hull design, center of gravity (CG), sail design, rigging, energy, power, and fuels, (especially renewable sources). The yacht of the future will go further, faster, require less energy (fuel), smoother, with more interior space, having more amenities (creature comforts), having less draft, and require less maintenance and labor to operate. That is speculation on my part. Some of it may come true; but we are not depending or planning on it.

Age seems to be the question in the "BELIEVABILITY" factor. Health, mental capacity, addictions, and other factors, regardless of age, may be of larger question. I would rather be on board with many 70 and 80 year old people I know, than many 15 to 30 to whatever age I encountered, or stumbled over in the gutter, or went out of my way to get them out of the gutter, and redirect their life's path. For years I dedicated my efforts to salvage the lives of one young teenage boy, and one teenage girl, both drug and alcohol addicted. I mentored; I gave so much. It paid off. I am going off topic. The point is I have that addiction and recovery experience and would rather sail with a senior whom is capable, than an incapacitated junior.

There is another way to write your screen play, without "BELIEVABILITY", or lacking some, or with questionable believability. Hollywood produces all sorts of works including science fiction, fiction, animation, and more, all with some entertainment value to some audience.

Along the same lines of your plot, but adapted to land, the Seniors could escape the retirement home, and have plans to tour a country via a RV; the likes of the large touring bus type; known as a "diesel pusher" to many that do that. There are hundreds of thousands of those in the US, especially in the Southern states in the winter. Would land transportation make the plot more believable? Maybe, to those more familiar with land. On the same note, in the land/sea plot trade off, where you add believability, you remove adventure from the plot. You remove appeal. Stick with "your plot concept".

It has been suggested that you experience sailing and cruising as you compose your works. I concur.

It has been suggested that you have some of the cruisers edit your works. I concur, or at least review it.

Keep us, "Cruiser Log" informed of your progress, if you complete it, and if it is ever produced on stage or on screen. I would like to see it. If you are looking for a film producer, a close friend of ours works for one. We always get invited to the gala pre-public release screenings at the local art center (black tie attire event).

Best Wishes and Good Luck,

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The "nursing home" thing is the unrealistic part of it.
True.....but what does it matter? It is a novel after all. Novels do not have to be believable; they ought to be entertainable and perhaps even educational in terms of language and grammar.

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Only rarely do I have the opportunity to be an expert. I have been making my living through writing since 1967. A printed work stimulates the imagination most and requires the least amount of situation development. A cinematic work stimulates the imagination least and requires a greater degree of 'set-up'.

NAME DROP ALERT!!!!!

I interviewed Frederick Forsythe for a TV show many years ago. He made a comment which I later saw repeated by Clive Cussler when he was speaking on US TV for a similar show. The essence of the comment was that 99% of readers want a good story and do not concern themselves with the accuracy of the premise...as long as it is entertaining. The remaining 1%, they claim, are the people who write letters about the colour of the paint on a particular warship, or the model number of a particular car being wrong.

I assisted in the development of a telemovie script about a love story, set during the time of the total destruction in 1974 of Darwin, by cyclone Tracy. The work was a great success. I remember being confronted by the son of a public official who was angry that his eccentric father's car bore the incorrect number plate.

I reiterate my earlier comments and paraphrase those of Stephen.....For the vast majority of people, entertainment is paramount. For a tiny and therefore insignificant proportion of the people, accuracy is important. This is why accuracy is a general rather than a specific consideration, and why there is a difference between fact and fiction, tale and documentary.

I think Helen's vehicle is excellent and if the ghost of Admiral Lord Nelson himself visited the seafaring wrinklies, it wouldn't upset her plot unless it wasn't entertaining....Probability is simply unimportant and becomes less important as emotions grow stronger. Such is the essence of fiction writing.

Now...back to work on becoming an expert sailor, a far more difficult task requiring a much higher degree of technical accuracy.

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Helen,

Auzzee inspired another thought. That being BELIEVABILITY verses ENTERTAINMENT, verses a DOCUMENTARY. It is all a matter of what you are writing, your writing style, your intent, and how you label and market it, and if you have intentions of selling it or having it produced.

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Public perception is the only consideration. Marketing targets the prospective audience. Believability is 100% perception. I cannot think of one movie from this current century which is factually believable, but the entertainment values are almost unmatched.

Go and see the new movie Transformers. Unbelievable in every sense, but it will be entertaining and the story will be told in such a credible manner that we will all become afraid of Mack trucks.

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True.....but what does it matter? It is a novel after all. Novels do not have to be believable; they ought to be entertainable and perhaps even educational in terms of language and grammar.

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I just see how this could be a really good movie (think "Fried Green Tomatoes" with Kathi Bates, speaking of nursing homes...) vs fluff (think RV starring Robin Williams).

There are movies for everyone
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I wanted to quickly mention that I’m still in the character development stage. I too have toyed with the, “nursing home” versus “assisted living” options… but again, this is the movies, and Hollywood can do ANYTHING. I feel I can make this work from a nursing home perspective. Not everyone who ends up in nursing homes is invalids. My main concern is to have the “elements” of believability.

But as Auzzee pointed out, (and correctly so) MOST people aren’t too concerned with details. Of course, as I progress further, I WILL need marine technical advice. I have a military shipyard background (Navy) but minimal sailing experience.

I think the story has a lot of potential for emotional drama and comedy --- A movie with a message and something we can ALL relate to, whether or not we sail. I was very happy to see that many on this board share the same feelings about “growing old” and wanting to “live the dream” and/or seek adventure till the very end.

I just read on Fox news tonight about that 62 year old man who choked to death a pouncing Bobcat. As the saying goes, FACTS are stranger than FICTION! Also, I do believe the script could use a love interest as well. Why not, right?

To answer a prior question, YES, the intent of this script is for actual production.

Thanks again for all your input! I’ve been enjoying these stories.

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Also, I do believe the script could use a love interest as well. Why not, right?

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Ah, the love card. Always a winner!

As far as being as close to reality as possible is concerned I believe that if the story itself is good enough then people will certainly not get hung up on technicalities. We, except for the 1% previously mentioned, get into technicalities when the story itself does not have sufficient merit to cover the technical flaws. In a way, it is a bit like a vulgar joke. Providing there is sufficient humour to cover the vulgarity then it is acceptable.

Go ahead with your idea Helen. Writie your story and get beck to the forum when you need technical support

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Helen,

During my adventures around the world I have come across a number of folk in their 70’s and early 80’s still living their dream. One elderly lady I met in Trinidad last year told me that when she could not climb up the companionway anymore, she would consider living on land – she had already had a hip replacement and was in her early 80’s!

Then there was Al, a single hander who circumnavigated when 70 after having both a kidney transplant and a heart transplant. I never met him but had daily radio chats with him whilst sailing between Panama and Tahiti. If you type +“Catalyst”+”N7PCY” into Google, you will be able to find info on his circumnavigation.

I am sure you will find enough ideas from true write-ups on the internet to weave a good script. There are many “blogs” on the Internet to read – have a look at some on www.sailblogs.com – good luck and please let us know how things progress.

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Gallavanters, I thought of HARRY when he was described. I think he is on a Tahiti Ketch isn't he? I can still remember his smile standing on the dock alongside a much younger woman in Latitude. It seems much longer than 2 years ago, but Harry has probably been written in Latitude more than once!

When I am to feeble to sail I will gunkhole in a powerboat. Being on the water no matter what type of vessel is what is important for me.
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