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Old 07-16-2007, 06:29 PM   #1
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It seems the topic of Pirates, Guns, and Knives will never go away, for various reasons including, misunderstanding the intent of other vessels behavior, unscrupulous individuals exist on earth, isolated incidents of real attacks usually in unstable societies and regions of the world, and other reasons.

If one feels they must provide protection to their vessel, an alternative concept is a non-lethal electric perimeter. I am not plugging this company or their products, or suggesting this is the right thing to do, although it seems like a better alternative than carrying firearms.

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Has anybody ever seen this in practice?

What are your thoughts?
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Well I'm not sure about a whole ships perimeter defense but does anybody know what various countries laws on stun guns and tazers are??
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Well I'm not sure about a whole ships perimeter defense but does anybody know what various countries laws on stun guns and tazers are??
Stun guns and tazers will get you arrested very quick in Australia. People need to remember that American attitudes to weapons are fairly unique to America. Many other parts of the world see things very differently.
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Also, in parts of the world other than America, frying someone who clambers aboard your boat, especially if your boat is in a public space, would cause you to be marched off to prison..irrespective of the motives of the person who boarded your vessel.

Ya'see, setting people traps in the public's domain is not just antisocial, it is seen as an attempt to inflict injury/falsely imprison or kill.....all of which are....not....quite.....legal...... in the civilised world.

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Ya'see, setting people traps in the public's domain is not just antisocial, it is seen as an attempt to inflict injury/falsely imprison or kill.....all of which are....not....quite.....legal...... in the civilised world.

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.....People need to remember that American attitudes to weapons are fairly unique to America. Many other parts of the world see things very differently.
You wrote something very important there; something I think wanna-be cruisers, or those that have not traveled extensively otherwise, do not understand. It is most important to understand that. Learn the local laws and customs, and live by them. Adapt, or stay home, or cause oneself all kinds of trouble, problems, and misery.

Here is an example for those that do not understand: Say you just met somebody and became new friends. You invite them to dinner at your house. You prepare to impress. They come over, and tell you the menu was wrong, the food was ill prepared; they rearrange your furniture, and go to the garage or tool shed, obtain a bucket of paint, and start redecorating. How would you feel about your guests? At what point would you call this off, ask them to leave, or kick them out the door? Sounds far fetched? It is not much different than some expect or demand as cruiser visitors to another country. Ever see a bouncer toss somebody out of a bar for violating the house rules? Oh, maybe, that was you (persons lacking understanding of local customs) rolling around in the street, with a black eye and sore bones.

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Ya'see, setting people traps in the public's domain is not just antisocial, it is seen as an attempt to inflict injury/falsely imprison or kill.....all of which are....not....quite.....legal...... in the civilised world.
Jeanne said it. We can not do that in the US either. Rigging or setting a trap to hurt or kill is the same as doing so, in the eyes of the law; maybe even worse if an innocent person (say a non-intruder - somebody unknowingly without ill intent) springs the trap.

Auzzee, so what are you saying; we are not civilized.

Maybe we are not, in the eyes of some. Especially if we bring guns, and demand that when visiting another country, they adapt to our ways.

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In case somebody did not notice or did not follow the links, there is a S/V - Yacht version of this device.

This device is an alternative to guns.

If this device performs as advertised it is non-lethal; similar to a stun gun. Well, we have a court case going on here, right now, that involved a police activated taser and the perpetrator died.

If one did have such a device, one would not need to energize it, until one was certain of being boarded by force, by non authorities, or at about the same time when one would break out the arsenal.

I doubt I will ever buy or build such a device.

If I need guns or a 9,000 Volt electric fence, I think I will fore go cruising and buy a touring motor coach or plane tickets and rent a Land Rover.
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Hey paras.....I'm not having a dig at America. I am saying that anyone who employs such a device is uncivilised. It's the equivalent of shoot first, ask questions later and has, in my opinion, no place in my notion of the civilised world of cruising sailors.

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Auzzee,

Thanks for the clarification. Understood.

If anybody is having a dig at Americans, it is I their fellow countryman. Well at least gun toting Americans, ignorant (lacking knowledge) of foreign laws, demanding to be accepted with arsenal in possession, and greeted with open arms (upper body appendages).

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Does this mean that Joshua Slocum was in the wrong by spreading carpet tacks on deck to thwart bare-foot rascals?

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Kirk,

Good Point. Joshua Slocum's time in history was what; about a hundred years ago.

Things change so much in time, but much doesn't change.

Joshua Slocum solved his problems, in his time, with resources at hand, satisfactorily.

I don't think one would encounter any problem, with any customs agency, having possession of a container of tacks, a magnet in the tool box, and a broom in the locker, or monofilament fishing line, in the tackle box or empty cans in the trash.

Who am I to say anything, about somebody keeping a mess on deck, while they are sleeping?
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I was given a cattle fence type device from another Pacific cruiser for just this sort of protection.

It was powered by four D Cell flashlight batteries.

He told me to be very careful when peeing over the side late at night.

I've yet to rig it.

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