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Old 01-18-2010, 06:35 AM   #15
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Believe Red and Kirk summed it up very well - The decision to buy a specific boat for a specific purpose is in the final analysis a matter of personal preference.

For example go to Yacht World, where they list just a hundred different makes of boats that all could be classified as cruisers or cruiser/racers :-

# Alajuela (4)

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# Gozzard 36 (3)

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All of the above have in all probability sailed across oceans in their time, some better than others, in terms of speed, comfort, safety etc.

Maybe need to define what is a "Blue Water" boat - If one looks at where the most dangerous seas occur in relation to the waters that cruising boats cruise. Are the waters close to land less dangerous than those a thousand nautical miles offshore? Where do most boats founder? How does one define "Blue Water" The ISAF , RORC, USCG, SOLAS and many other organisations classify the seas and oceans when making rules regarding the construction, design and safety components of boats.

In 27 years of talking to cruisers; 10 years of which, spoke every single day to Cruisers from the North and South Pacific Ocean, The South China Sea, The North and South Indian Ocean and the Southern Ocean - It wasn't the cruisers that were far offshore that reported serious difficulties. In the great majority it was cruisers that ran aground in anchorages, cruisers whose boats took in water, cruisers that foundered on lee shores, cruisers that took short cuts and were holed, cruisers that capsized attempting to cross sand bars, cruisers whose engines failed, cruisers who lost sails and rigging, cruisers that had collisions with other boats and ships in harbours, marinas and anchorages. etc......

It could be that the best boat to cruise on depends on the ability and experience of the master and crew.

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Old 01-18-2010, 02:07 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by MMNETSEA View Post
It could be that the best boat to cruise on depends on the ability and experience of the master and crew.
Edited for brevity.

Amen, Amen and verily I say Amen. There is nothing like experience and as I have learned (sometimes painfully) the more you know, the more you know you don't. We are now to the looking at boat stages and having to bug the heck out of friends and family to get to know better what I need to be looking for beyond what knowledge I already know. Wish us luck on pulling these last strings together (it may work it may not, but you don't know till you try)

May the Wind be kind and lee shores easy to see.


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Old 01-19-2010, 08:27 PM   #17
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The last four post are great.

Good luck with the site.

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Old 01-19-2010, 10:58 PM   #18
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I'm looking for people here to help me put up some good quality content on blue water cruising boats.

The first thing I noticed when I started looking for my own cruising boat to buy, was that there was no definitive source of reviews and info on blue water boats. They're scattered in dips and drabs all over the net piece-wise. So I've decided to build what's intended to be an open-resource semi-wiki style site that's going to collate good quality info/reviews on blue water cruising yachts. Hopefully it will be a useful tool for prospective buyers. Please contact me if you want to help by writing a review on your favorite boat.

Till then, I'll continue to chip away one review at a time here by myself :-)...


You might want to check out 'Yachting Monthly' in either the print version or on-line www.yachtingmonthly.com, which is really cruising oriented and if you have ever sailed around GB and the channel/north sea, they have intense weather. They have great second hand boat reviews as well as prices and comparison with comparable boats.

They also have good gear reviews, where something does not work, they say so quite bluntly. In addition, when they test things, they have smart comments. For example,in a review of 12 different radar reflectors they tested them, but noted the best return received was from the dingy that they put the other 11 reflectors! Genius, we bought 10 cheap reflectors, and put them in all the unused spaces like the upper parts of the chain locker, lazarette, backs of lockers, etc.

Good luck with your project!
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Old 01-20-2010, 01:28 AM   #19
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Took your advice and had a look at Yacht Monthly on Line.

Interesting story :-

"Knox-Johnston's wrecked yacht: decision soon

* Fri, 15 Jan 2010

To salvage or scuttle, that is the question

Cork Clipper

A naval architect is examining a 68ft ocean racing yacht, which hit a rock during Sir Robin Knox-Johnston's Clipper Round The World Race to see if she is salvageable.

Colin Campbell - sailing on another of the 1 million yachts, which are all fully insured, - will let the organisers know this afternoon if it is worth saving the vessel.

The stricken hull of Cork, Ireland, one of ten yachts competing in the Clipper 2009-10 Round the World Yacht Race, which struck a rock in the Java Sea, some 200 nautical miles north east of Jakarta, is still stranded.

All 16 of her crew were evacuated to the island and subsequently to two sister yachts, Team Finland and California. All are safe and next of kin have been informed.

Falmouth Coastguard is working with local agencies to ensure that the situation is being constantly monitored.

The yacht was sailing in 20-knot winds when she struck a rock off the small island of Gosong Mampango at 2018 GMT, 13 January having left Geraldton, Western Australia for Singapore on 3 January.

Initial reports from skipper Richie Fearon stated that the boat is lying on her side on the rock with the toe rail under water with some hull damage.

With winds increasing, the crew were evacuated as a precaution.

Fellow competitors Team Finland and California were nearby and immediately stood by. The skipper and crew of Cork have subsequently used their liferafts to transfer to the waiting boats and all are now safely on board. Team Finland's skipper Rob McInally is relaying updates with both the race organisers and the coastguard agencies.

At this stage, it is too early to consider what impact the incident will have on the Irish entry and whether the team will be able to continue in the 10-month-long 35,000 mile race around the world. "


Interesting story !

Do not know apart from the skipper, if the other 15 members had the appropriate realtime experience to navigate, read charts, steer a course, read radar, keep a look out etc... Most were green amateurs who pay big bucks for the experience.

The boat ran straight onto a reef at 18 minutes past 4am out in open waters! Who set the course? Was the boat on autopilot? If it was the intention to find a lighthouse (that was listed as dis-functional) in the middle of the Java Sea, they couldn't have done better.



So what do we have here? A 1 Million "Blue Water" yacht equipped with every conceivable navigation aid run on to a known hazard! The weather was fine - 20 knots of wind to sail by -

Was it "human error/failing" ? The "yacht's equipment faulty" ?
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:37 AM   #20
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Glad you liked the source, and the info... they(YM) have an interesting viewpoint in their writing. The other magazine that has interest is Latitude 38, which also has an online version. www.latitude38.com if you care to have a look. Richard, the editor, has a great, twisted sense of humor, but is also a good boat driver.

Linda says 'I hate it when things go bump in the night'....

fair winds,

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Old 01-20-2010, 02:58 AM   #21
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Enjoy Lat 38 which is sent to me by email - obviously it caters in the main for the US West coast, naturally a little parochial.
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Old 01-26-2010, 07:43 PM   #22
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Hey thanks for all the suggestions and comments. I agree, especially with Red. You get the feel for what suits over time and it's highly personal. We go sailing, we talk to sailors, absorb books, and accumulate stories we find a feel for what we like.

Just put up info on the Valiant 37 (After researching the boat, talking to owners, I was surprised about how overlooked this boat has become), and lots more info on the Cavalier 32 (one of the best to come from NZ).


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Old 01-27-2010, 09:35 AM   #23
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Just put up info on the Valiant 37 (After talking to owners, I was surprised about how overlooked this boat has become)
Hello Danger,

Where did you find the owners to talk to?
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:15 PM   #24
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Valiant Sailboat Owners Group (see Yahoo Groups, link at the bottom of the page). They were really helpful.
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:44 AM   #25
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Seems to be the way these days. Technology is god and is not to be question. Even when it is programmed by mere mortals. I experience it every day at work. The new generation will not question the computer or the gps for that matter.
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Old 03-20-2010, 02:34 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Gallivanters View Post
Our new old boat is a Sparkman & Stephens designed Hylas 47 which we've stretched to nearly 53 ft and, thus far, has safely transported us more than 10,000 miles from the Caribbean to nearly the western reach of the Pacific... and I can say, with confidence, that she is a fine and capable blue water cruiser.
How did you stretch a 47 Hylas to 53'?

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Old 12-12-2010, 03:21 PM   #27
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I think that is a great idea.

For smaller blue water capable boats there is this http://atomvoyages.com/articles/boatlist.htm

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