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Old 09-15-2009, 08:57 PM   #15
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I am not criticizing the 16 year old girl. I take it that she is already an outstandingly talented and determined girl way ahead of her peers to get as far as she has.

What I am criticizing is her parents and sponsors who are using her for their own selfish ends. Parents are responsible for the safety of their children until they can cope on their own. Goodness knows how may teenagers have ended up dead or injured because of emotional decisions they have made. Cars kill many youngsters every year.

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I am not criticizing the 16 year old girl. I take it that she is already an outstandingly talented and determined girl way ahead of her peers to get as far as she has.

What I am criticizing is her parents and sponsors who are using her for their own selfish ends. Parents are responsible for the safety of their children until they can cope on their own. Goodness knows how may teenagers have ended up dead or injured because of emotional decisions they have made. Cars kill many youngsters every year.

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I do think she's talented for sure! Just because she's 16, though, doesn't mean she isn't milking the same thing that her parents and sponsors are--she is. Look at her photos...her self image seems to be more about glam than about competence. 16 is still very inexperienced and very much a child, in terms of sailing one's own boat around the world! But, it is old enough, in this day and age, to know what is going on with the sponsorships and to know exactly how she's projecting herself and how she is perceived.
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It seems that she had a P.R. person, and lots of free advice and sponsors, before she had a seaworthy boat. *And her blog sounds just a bit too polished for a sixteen-year-old. *Some of it her mother owns to writing, I wonder how much of the rest is really her work. *She certainly knows how to put in plugs for all her sponsors, and she has a lot of them. *

Tania Aebi made many mistakes in her first few months, but she had already done a trans-Atlantic passage with her father, so she possibly knew more about long-distance sailing than most. *If I remember correctly, about the only "sponsor" she had was Cruising World Magazine, and she had to write a monthly article for that. *Of course, her father was the motivator there, telling her that if she thought she wanted to be a writer, then she damn well better write. *

Can anyone remember the two teenage boys who solo circumnavigated. *One on "Dove", and he, too, was sponsored by a magazine (National Geographic?). I think that after finishing his circumnavigation he moved into the mountains, and never sailed again (is my memory clear on that?)

The other boy I think didn't finish his circumnavigation, but rather stopped in South Africa and didn't finish (?). * *Tania also moved inland, though she continued to give motivational seminars and I think sailing seminars, possibly after her marriage dissolved (again, my memory is a bit sketchy).*

I wish her well; I hope she's more mature than I give her credit for.

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What irks me is the free repairs she is getting. Not to mention the fact that within the first 24 hours she messed up big time. I dont know the girl so I will not make comment, but her mother seems to do an awful lot of talking.

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What irks me is the free repairs she is getting. Not to mention the fact that within the first 24 hours she messed up big time. I dont know the girl so I will not make comment, but her mother seems to do an awful lot of talking.

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She is being sponsored big time, no question about that. What I don't understand is how people know that she "messed up big time" since the case is still under investigation. There are a lot of rumors going on, including that "she called mum" and that "she was sleeping" "ais was not on" etc etc..

If she really messed up, it will come out after the iquiry, and I suspect that the sponsors will drop her.

At this point, her sponsors, who probably have a bit more information than us, don't seem to think that she deserves to be dumped.
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She hit another boat = she messed up... doesn't matter what the circumstances were... the captain is responsible.... period.
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She hit a SHIP. The reports are that she spoke to her father prior to. I am sorry but seamanship is seamanship. If she had time to call her Dad then she had time to steer away. As a former professional seaman this seems quite a strange behaviour for someone who didn't "mess up big time".

I don't denigrate her for attempting to achieve something, but in an emergency, she may very well risk others if she is incapable of keeping herself out of trouble.

We are all entitled to tackle things bigger than ourselves but don't paint the picture of innocence by ignorance. It will be her word in any enquiry. The captain of the bulk carrier will tell their story and she will tell her side. If per chance they draw a conclusion that the girl was in wrong then the authorities should at least make sure that she is better prepared before moving on. The biggest possibility though, is the enquiry will be unable to find a cause and she will be allowed to continue on unabated.

Lets be perfectly clear, the media in Australia has already said things about the carrier not steering away etc. This shows an already evident way the media is portraying the girl.

If she is capable then so be it.

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If per chance they draw a conclusion that the girl was in wrong then the authorities should at least make sure that she is better prepared before moving on. The biggest possibility though, is the enquiry will be unable to find a cause and she will be allowed to continue on unabated.

Lets be perfectly clear, the media in Australia has already said things about the carrier not steering away etc. This shows an already evident way the media is portraying the girl.
Also, as a former ship master, I fail to see how an enquiry can fail to attribute a large part of the blame on the girl. She broke, by her own admission, one of the main rules for avoiding collision, i.e. Rule 5, which is probably the simplest, easiest understood and least ambiguous of all the Rules. It states, " Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and or the risk of collision. "

So, we may like it or we may not but the bottom line irrefutably is that little Jessica broke the Rule and, unless the enquiry is rigged, must be attributed the blame in part.

I do not try to exonerate the master and crew of the SILVER YANG, the bulk carrier Jessica collided with. They too may well have broken the same Rule and several others but that is not the subject of this discussion. The subject here is is she (Jessica) ready for the trip or not.

As far as the Australian media coverage is concerned, then, from what I have seen here from Spain, the master and crew of the bulk carrier are the bad boys and no one seems to question Jessica's part in the incident.

From the fragments of the story I have read and seen, my impression is that this young lady is being pushed into a very dangerous adventure. She has been extremely lucky once and should get out now before something worse befalls her.

Hand on heart; if Jessica was your daughter would you let her sail alone over 7,000NM in the Southern Ocean. I have been there; I know what it can be like and I would not let it happen.

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Also, as a former ship master, I fail to see how an enquiry can fail to attribute a large part of the blame on the girl. She broke, by her own admission, one of the main rules for avoiding collision, i.e. Rule 5, which is probably the simplest, easiest understood and least ambiguous of all the Rules. It states, " Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper look-out by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances and conditions so as to make a full appraisal of the situation and or the risk of collision. "

So, way may like it or we may not but the bottom line irrefutably is that little Jessica broke the Rule and, unless the enquiry is rigged, must be attributed the blame in part.

I do not try to exonerate the master and crew of the SILVER YANG, the bulk carrier Jessica collided with. They too may well have broken the same Rule and several others but that is not the subject of this discussion. The subject here is is she (Jessica) ready for the trip or not.

As far as the Australian media coverage is concerned, then, from what I have seen here from Spain, the master and crew of the bulk carrier are the bad boys and no one seems to question Jessica's part in the incident.

From the fragments of the story I have read and seen, my impression is that this young lady is being pushed into a very dangerous adventure. She has been extremely lucky once and should get out now before something worse befalls her.

Hand on heart; if Jessica was your daughter would you let her sail alone over 7,000NM in the Southern Ocean. I have been there; I know what it can be like and I would not let it happen.

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Stephen you have hit the bottom line. We sailed for 5 years in the north and south pacific with 4 teenage children. Even after that extensive experience I would never have risked any of my children at that age. It borders on child abuse.

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I just reread the news report, and found a followup news report, here and*Here *

She hit the ship off North Stradbroke Island. *Apparently the ship saw her, so now the question is, were they constrained by draft to maintain course? *SHE says, "it could have happened to anybody. *I'm just unlucky, I guess."

What annoys me about the majority of news reports is that in their rush to print the news, they only get the most sensational part of the news printed. *No research, nothing that a knowledgeable person could use to judge for himself whether this girl should be given a hero's welcome or not. *

With the sophisticated public relations drive behind Jessica, and a Chinese flagged vessel, I worry that there is not going to be enough truth about this accident to satisfy any of the members of this board. *I would like to watch this to see just how fair and impartial the news reporting will be.
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Many, many years ago, sitting in sailing courses (conducted by a retired and well experienced ship master) I learned, that a bulk carrier has the worst manuvering abilities of all ships.

So, if they appear on the horizon (on the high seas), better not count on your way of right as a sailing ship, that usually comes in sight (optically and on radar) very late - better act after the rules of good seamanship and do your share that is necessary to avoid a situation of close encounter (altering your course clearly and early).

So, if the bulk carrier had the yacht in sight, were they still able to change course and speed in a way to make sure to get out of the way of a yacht, that due to seastate and maybe not stable winds and under auto pilot changes course and speed contnuously, if not erratic?

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Stephen you have hit the bottom line. We sailed for 5 years in the north and south pacific with 4 teenage children. Even after that extensive experience I would never have risked any of my children at that age. It borders on child abuse.

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I agree that I would not either.

One could argue though, that taking your children (who don't have a choice in the matter) onto a ocean crossing is not safe either.

In a different world, where everybody tries to regulate everybody else, I am sure that one could find many who would have wanted to disallow that, and would find that as reasonable and rational as those today who would like to disallow this.

This is more an issue of people's freedom of choice than anything else
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One could argue though, that taking your children (who don't have a choice in the matter) onto a ocean crossing is not safe either.
Indeed; just as one could argue that sending children to school is not safe as they have to cross roads and therefore should not go to school.

I understand where you are coming from but the fundamental difference between Jessica and Apolima is that he was with his children to offer support, guidance and physical assistance. Jessica, if she continues, is on her own.

Regarding Aquaria's remarks, a bulk carrier is,as pointed out, not the most easily maneuvered vessel. However it is not too difficult to alter course or reduce speed. Stopping the engine is a different matter as the engineers need time to change from heavy oil to diesel unless it is a real emergency, after which, if the heavy oil has cooled, it may not be possible to restart the engine. The one thing large bulk carriers are relatively immune to is sea state. They just keep on going in almost any weather up to force 9.

With respect to Jeanne's post, I do not know the area where the collision occurred but many here seem to. However, I do know that loaded the Silver Yang has a draught of 13.09 metres (Lloyd's Marine Intelligence Unit). Now, if she is restricted in her ability to maneuver due to her draught she should have been showing three red lights in a vertical line and visible all around the horizon in addition to her steaming lights. Was she? I don't know but neither, I think, does Jessica.

Incidentally, it is worth pondering for a minute that the Silver Yang has a draught greater than the length of Jessica's boat. No matter who is in the right or the wrong you cannot argue with that. Nobody needs their epitaph to read, "She was right".

Again, returning to Aquaria's post, he points out the correct course of action - keep out of the way! This maybe not what is required by the Rules but a small flick of the helm for a yacht is a far more seaman-like thing to do than to force a huge ship to alter course or slow down. Sometimes common sense has to prevail!

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Again, returning to Aquaria's post, he points out the correct course of action - keep out of the way! This maybe not what is required by the Rules but a small flick of the helm for a yacht is a far more seaman-like thing to do than to force a huge ship to alter course or slow down. Sometimes common sense has to prevail!

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Absolutely, no question. Frankly when I am sailing in crowded areas, I prefer much more to be the give-way because at least, I have control over where to go whereas the stand-on vessel is basically depending on the other vessel's actions.

Of course when you are dealing with a vessel substantially bigger, you can throw in many other rules and reasons. As far as I am concerned, if a Tanker is coming, it has the right of way, even if I am "not under command".

I would get it in command somehow !

Incidentally, I have heard of singlehanders who put up the two red lights and go to sleep.

At night, I always have my radar on, and always have a zone alert on, although that may not be feasible sometimes because of sea state etc.

I am not defending that the tanker should have gone out of the way. They probably did not even see her until it was too late.

I still would like to hear the details before making up my mind about her fitness to go around the world

Maybe it was on of those moments everyone has, or maybe it is a characteristical fault that makes her unfit.

Shall the one, who has never made a stupid seamanship mistake raise their hand !

And yes, there are stupid mistakes and then there are stupid mistakes.

The most stupid one I made was diving overboard to cut off the line that was entangled on my prop, and holding me off about 100 feet from the lee shore. .. that was 40 years ago. I was young and stupid. Now I am old and stupid !
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