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Old 09-05-2007, 10:50 PM   #15
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The quote in Lighthouse's post is some months old. My friends who recently sailed from Darwin to Bali have not been asked to post a bond. They arrived on Aug 29th in Benoa harbour. I will quiz them further regarding their clearance.

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Old 09-15-2007, 11:29 AM   #16
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Rumours still abound about the possible imposition of a bond for foreign yachts visiting Indonesia. The rumour states the bond, equal to 5% of the value of your yacht, is refundable when you clear out of Indonesia.

I have seen copies of all the paperwork which was required of a cruising yacht which entered Bali late last month. There is no request for a bond. The total amount they had to pay was $25. They have since asked local officials if they must pay any bond. They have been told no such bond applies for visiting, recreational yachts. The rumour however, refuses to go away and it has gained currency with local Indonesian businesses which are concerned about the effect such a bond would have on the tourist business.

I am still hoping to receive a reply from the Indonesian Embassy in Australia regarding the rumour, but they appear to be very slow in responding. I will continue to press this issue in the hope of being able to publish accurate, current information as supplied by the Indonesian Government.

In the meantime, do not trust any story with the exception of that told by Indonesian authorities when you apply for your CAIT (Cruising permit) PRIOR TO SETTING SAIL FOR INDONESIAN WATERS.

It is an offence to enter Indon waters without first having applied for a CAIT which takes about 7 weeks to process, but which can be forwarded to Indonesia for your collection at your nominated port of arrival. WHEN APPLYING FOR THE CAIT, ASK SPECIFICALLY IF A BOND IS REQUIRED TO BE PAID.

For answers to frequently asked questions about sailing into Indonesia, check this link http://www.balimarina.com/faq.html#question15

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No, this is not true.

Incidentally, another agent, apart from Bali Marina, who can supply your CAIT, is Kustajorno Projolalito. His email address is: cait@indo.net.id We have used his service. It can be done entirely by email, takes about 10 days to receive a coloured copy by email (up to 5 weeks to receive the original in the post - though ours was only 3 weeks to Australia.) In our experience, very fast and professional and keeps in touch - we would use him again.

[Edit] is this one correct?

(cait AT indo.net.id)

The top one has an extension formatted into it.
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No, this is not true.

Incidentally, another agent, apart from Bali Marina, who can supply your CAIT, is Kustajorno Projolalito. His email address is: cait@indo.net.id We have used his service. It can be done entirely by email, takes about 10 days to receive a coloured copy by email (up to 5 weeks to receive the original in the post - though ours was only 3 weeks to Australia.) In our experience, very fast and professional and keeps in touch - we would use him again.
Welcome Sue and Philip to this forum,

The question that appears to be still unanswered by the Indonesian Government is "that cruising yachts are required to post a bond relative to the value of the boat at the first port of entry - this bond is recovered at the last port of departure" ???

The Email address appears to have expired ?

http://www.fastmail.com.au/mail/?MLS=AD-*;...s*U-1**11525283
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I removed the inbuilt formatting in the email address above.

(cait AT indo.net.id)
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I removed the inbuilt formatting in the email address above.

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It still does not work with the "@" replaced
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Hi sueandphillip, welcome to the forum. The information regarding a CAIT which I posted, is as supplied by two different sources. The first is the Darwin Sailing Club which provides a service in conjunction with the Indonesian Government, to 150 yachts per year travelling from Darwin to Indonesia. The second is information provided to me by cruising friends who arrived in Bali from Darwin just 8 weeks ago.

I do not doubt your success in applying for and being granted a CAIT and I hope others can replicate your success. However, the official line is always worth considering when seeking entry to a foreign port. Making time concessions in particular is important to avoid any bureaucratic troubles upon arrival.

Again, I applaud your success. Bearing in mind s/y Furai Batsu secured a CAIT and entered Indonesia for a grand total of $25 without any troubles at all, I wonder what the cost is, of doing the same thing through an agent.

Are you still sailing through SE Asia?

Very best wishes.

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It still does not work with the "@" replaced
I just successfully sent an email to that address. Haven't received a reply, yet.
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I just successfully sent an email to that address. Haven't received a reply, yet.
Hi Jeanne, I tried cait@indo.net.id it still does not take me to the website of :

Kustajorno Projolalito - what did you discover about the bond?

Maybe a blockage in this part of the world

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More news here - but no definitive info :- http://www.josc.org/

Indonesian Visas :- http://www.indonesianembassy.org.uk/consul..._type_free.html
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Hi Jeanne, I tried cait@indo.net.id it still does not take me to the website of :

Kustajorno Projolalito - what did you discover about the bond?

Maybe a blockage in this part of the world

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cait@indo.net.id is an email address. *I sent an email which simply said, "just testing. *Is this the address to apply for an Indonesian CAIT?" *I did not inquire about the bond. *Will do so today.

The reply was,

"Yes this is an e-mail address for applying CAIT.

Best Regards,

Kus Projolalito."
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Follow-up on my email to cait@indo.net.id

I've received a further reply, which is reproduced here in its entirety:

"1. Herewith I send to you requirements for applying CAIT.

2. Yes, Indonesian government has new regulation asking for a bond for

yachts. But this is for yacht who are interested to stay in Indonesia for

more than 6 months and doing a charter business. The port who is implemented

this regulation is only Kupang in Timor. So for yacht coming from Darwin, I

suggest not to enter Kupang but other port.

Thank you for posting this e-mail to your forum and best regards from me,

Kus Prodjolalito
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Attachment is copied here:

Requirements for applying Clearance Approval for Indonesian Territory (CAIT) :

1. Copy passport of all crew. You may send it by mail or email, not by fax.

2. A passport photo of the captain by mail or email.

3. Copy of Yacht certificate/Yacht registration and call sign of the boat.

4. Last port of call before entering Indonesia

5. First port of call after leaving Indonesia

6. Itinerary and date of visit

7. If your visit is for more than 1 month and maximum 3 months, we will issue a sponsor letter addressed to Indonesian Embassy/Consulate to request Social and Cultural Visit Visa.

8. Agency fee is Rp.1.600.000,- (for boat not more than 20 m length) and sponsor letter

is Rp.250.000,-.

For boat more than 20 m length, agency fee is Rp 2.500.000,-. More than 40 m, agency fee is Rp 3.500.000,-

You may transfer agency fee through Western Union to :

Name : Arlytha Alda

Address : Semanggi Apartment # 2415

Jl.Gatot Subroto Kav 53B

Jakarta 10260

After you have made the transfer, please inform us Money Transfer Control Number ( MTCN ) of Western Union.

9. Please inform us where of Indonesian Embassy/Consulate you are going to request your visa from

10. We need to know where we have to send your original CAIT and sponsor letter to. After knowing, we will quote to you, the courier cost to mail the original CAIT and sponsor letter to you.

11. We need 20 days to process your CAIT after receiving documents and payment

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As of this date, October 19, 2007, exchange rates for Indonesia Rupiah*(IDR) are (I left out the small change, rounding up or down as appropriate):

USD $1.00 =*9009*IDR

AUD $1.00 = 8,087 IDR

EURO 1.00 = 12,877 IDR
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Thank you for following this through JeanneP.

As soon as I saw to "send money via Western Union" it set off alarm bells and prompted me to do a Google search on email addresses. names, addresses, etc.

It appears as if there are a number of such CAIT "agents" and they do offer this service (I wonder if they all work in the government office?). However, DO NOT deal with one who insists on a money transfer like Western Union, Moneygram, etc., and then, ONLY use one that comes recommended by other cruisers - but even then, NOT if you cannot do a direct bank transfer.

In a bank to bank transfer there is a trace to the receiver. With Western Union, you deposit the money in a WU office with ONLY a sender's name, receiver's name and a "secret question". You then receive a MTCN number which you pass on to the receiver along with the "secret question" and "answer" to this question. The receiver then goes to any Western Union office and draws the money on the strength of the MTCN number and question/answer - NO IDENTITY DOCS., PASSPORT, required. Once the money is collected there is no trace of the receiver.

NEVER SEND MONEY VIA WESTERN UNION TO SOMEONE THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW PERSONALLY. Also, NEVER send money to someone that will only correspond using a "free" email/webmail address such as Hotmail, yahoo, gmail, etc., as every "normal" business will have their own registered domain name.

One of the Googled results from the info supplied in JeanneP's post above: HERE - this appears to be from the same "office" but note the differences.

These "agents" do appear to offer a service but, be careful.
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This makes me feel a whole lot happier about the above: page from the Indo Embassy in Singapore.

However, insist on a "formal" method of payment.
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