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Old 04-28-2008, 03:57 PM   #1
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Hello, we are planning to sail through the Red Sea to the Seychelles, intending to exit Bab el Mandeb towards the beginning of December 2008. Due to fears of piracy, we would liek to join or form a flotilla with other yachts doing a similar route at a similar time, at least for the risky stretch. We have a 54 foot monhull sailing yacht. Looking forward to hearing from lots of you! Yonatan
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Hello, we are planning to sail through the Red Sea to the Seychelles, intending to exit Bab el Mandeb towards the beginning of December 2008. Due to fears of piracy, we would like to join or form a flotilla with other yachts doing a similar route at a similar time, at least for the risky stretch. We have a 54 foot monohull sailing yacht. Looking forward to hearing from lots of you! Yonatan
Yonatan,

I guess you are aware that that your date of departure means that you will encounter adverse sailing conditions all the way from the northern end of the Red Sea to Salalah in Oman. Very few yachts are making up flotillas at that time to make passage West to East . During December >>> February yachts make their way EAST to West

The other factor in your plan is that once you leave The Gulf of Aden ( with piracy activities at THIS time on the EAST Coast of Somalia) you will need to consider the following passage to get you to the Seychelles == #1 leave Salalah bearing 125 to way point 10 N x 64 E -- #2 take bearing 210 to way point 4 S x 56 E. That rough plan should take you sufficiently far off the Somali Coast to get you to the Seychelles.

In any event - it is too early in terms of what conditions will prevail off the coasts of Somalia and Yemen at the end of the year - Come back with questions around October.

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Yonatan,

I guess you are aware that that your date of departure means that you will encounter adverse sailing conditions all the way from the northern end of the Red Sea to Salalah in Oman. Very few yachts are making up flotillas at that time to make passage West to East . During December >>> February yachts make their way EAST to West

The other factor in your plan is that once you leave The Gulf of Aden ( with piracy activities at THIS time on the EAST Coast of Somalia) you will need to consider the following passage to get you to the Seychelles == #1 leave Salalah bearing 125 to way point 10 N x 64 E -- #2 take bearing 210 to way point 4 S x 56 E. That rough plan should take you sufficiently far off the Somali Coast to get you to the Seychelles.

In any event - it is too early in terms of what conditions will prevail off the coasts of Somalia and Yemen at the end of the year - Come back with questions around October.

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Hi Richard,

Thanks for your reply. The truth is, it is essentially a delivery trip. We understand that we should go down the Red Sea, then wait for the NE monsoons before heading into the Indian Ocean, but that would make a long trip... So either we have adverse conditions in the Red Sea, or in the open ocean. We decided on the Red Sea. Sailing south in the Indian Ocean before December means fighting the SE monsoon. I understand from others (and from pilot books etc) that it is mainly the Bab el Mandeb to Horn of Africa that could be vicious at this time. The northern Red Sea should be okay, and the sourthern Red Sea could be against us much of the way, but unlikely to be vicious. If you know (or have heard) anything different, would be happy to hear! Anyone else have any views on this? Thanks, Yonatan
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Yonatan

I understood that you wished to enter the western end of the Gulf of Aden at the beginning of December. For your information there is no SE monsoon in the Northern Indian Ocean - The North East Monsoon will have completed transition by the beginning of December. The Red Sea has it own way of delivering surprises - whilst the Gulf of Aden will be by that time, wind against you all the way to Salalah. However, the above is not the problem, your difficulty is making an easterly to a least 64 degrees (some 600nm east of Salalah) to get as far away as possible from the EAST coast of Somalia. As I previously indicated it is most unlikely that you will find anyone else to join you at that time of the year and especially while rampant attacks are being made against vessels of all types.

You might like to visit our Wiki - >>> Contents have a look at the East to West passage - and reverse the data.

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Hi Richard,

Thanks again for your replies. The Indian Ocean Cruising Guide (Rod Heikell, Imray) and the Red Sea Pilot (Morgan and Davies, Imray) both suggest doing the southerly passage to Seychelles from December onwards, even though the Indian Ocean guide also notes that this involves a hard push eastwards from Bab el Mandeb. This guide also notes that the SW mosoon does affect this stretch of water. I guess part of the problem is that few boats do this stretch in this direction. Do you have personal experience there?

Also, heading eastwards to 64 degrees seems a long way... Did you mean 64 or was that a typo? The Seychelles are 55 degrees. That means heading almost 600 miles further east than we would otherwise want... I suppose final decision must wait to see how piracy develops there in the coming months. Now with US action in Somalia, it's hard to know what will happen - we'll just have to wait. If things hot up too much, maybe we'll find different cruising grounds!

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Correct, to repeat that there is No South East Monsoon in the Northern Indian Ocean !

YES, TO also repeat 64 East before turning to sail toward the Seychelles. Check your charts.

Check recent Piracy activity on the Somalia Coast.

Whereas the last hostages were not harmed by the the pirates - are you able to predict what would be your fate - even if you protest that you are an inexperienced delivery crew.
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Yonatan,

Reading between the lines, looking at your other post and doing a little detective work (I used to be in maritime intelligence) I am sure I understand your problem and , with regard to what could happen should you be taken by pirates, my recommendation would be either to ship the yacht from Suez to India and pick her up there (depending on the final destination), go westwards (again depending on the final destination) or round the Cape.

Knowing your final destination would help!

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Knowing your final destination would help!

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The destination given as the Seyshelles
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The destination given as the Seyshelles
Missed that!

Well, I would say yiu have quite a problem but, inthe interest of safety, maybe you should conside the long haul round Africa? But it is a long haul. I once sailed from Haifa to the US and it was an eye-opener. The distance from Haifa to Gib was pretty much the same as from Gib to the States.

Where are you starting out from?

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Hi,

we are hoping to deliver a yacht to SE Asia from the Med in Late August - September if you would like to join us then...

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we are hoping to deliver a yacht to SE Asia from the Med in Late August - September if you would like to join us then...

cheers gails
Gails,

To whom are you addressing this post ? If you are looking for crew , please post in the Crew finder forum with FULL details .



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