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Old 01-05-2016, 04:46 AM   #15
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You can't be in the Schengen region for more than 90 days in any 180 day period, so it's actually 90 in then 90 out. Schengen Visa - information about Schengen visa

I agree that if you can prove Italian heritage then moving to Italy would be an ideal choice, but it's not a cheap place to live generally. Sicily is far cheaper, but there are obvious complications with that choice.

Hopping up to the UK is a very expensive option, their cost of living is astronomical and the food is attrocious. And warm beer? Bloody savages, the lot of them.

For an option that isn't as severe as the Balkans you could try Hungary. Buying a unit or farmhouse there (for about USD20,000 or less) gains you residence as long as you can prove you have an income and health insurance. If one of your languages is German then the area near Lake Balaton puts you within 50km of the Austrian border, as well as being close to seaside countries of Slovenia and Croatia. It's also only 250km to Venice which, for an Aussie at least, is a mere trip to the shops. English is widely spoken in Hungary as well (16% of population per Wikipedia).

Don't discount Albania too quickly either, it's right between Italy and Greece and would be a fairly good starting point for a cruise of either the Med or the Black Sea.

I'll be interested in how this progresses, keep in touch.
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Old 01-07-2016, 07:30 PM   #16
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Thanks for clarifying that 90 in 90 out thing, I was obviously confused about that. In a way it makes it worse. At least I thought I'd be forced to stop for six months at a time before lol.
Although I don't have Italian heritage, I found a thread somewhere telling about residence permits which I will study up on. Why pray tell is Sicily obviously complicated?
UK isn't necessarily one of my destinations but it may need to be and three months of warm beer in winter; well the beer would be pretty cold if it's snowing outside eh?
We already have five acres on the southern Oregon coast so more property really isn't in the cards and with a boat in tow we'd have to live aboard, especially if it was accruing marina fees, but you mention Albania and that does sound like a good venue, again to research. That would make a convenient location for an in between stop.
I s'pppose my progress will go onto this thread. Thanks gents.
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Old 01-08-2016, 01:40 AM   #17
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Here's the skinny on Italian residence permits. https://www.justlanded.com/english/I...ermits-to-stay

They're the same as any other Schengen country in that you need to apply for a visa before arriving if you're planning to stay longer than three months. But if you're coming and going every three months it could be complicated to justify. Honestly, this is a MAJOR bugbear for yachting tourists from non-EU nations, and shouldn't be taken lightly.

Re: Sicily - they might make you an offer you can't refuse. :-)

Five acres in Oregon? Nice. Although with that recent siege I wouldn't want to be living there right now. My sister-in-law is from Gilroy, CA but lived and raised kids in Bend, OR for a long time. Here's a joke she likes:

Q: How many Californians does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: 20. One to change the bulb and 19 to "share the experience."
Q: How many Oregonians does it take?
A: 20. One to change the bulb and 19 to chase away the Californians.

All-righty then. So, you're planning to spend the off-permit time on the yacht and don't want to buy property. That limits things severely.

Options are (refer to map below):

UK (you knew that), Albania, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina (uh-oh), Montenegro or Turkey. And of course Norway and Iceland, but that's quite a trip, it's bloody cold and the seas are rough up there.

Apart from these, you'd have to either go through to the Black Sea (which you've indicated no interest in), schlep over to North Africa (which sucks), or completely leave the med via Gibraltar.

I'd definitely try Croatia for one three-month stretch, it's a beautiful coast, but watch out for scammers. Wouldn't go near B-H due to politics, and it has almost no coastline. Montenegro and Albania are also possibilities and you get 90 days without a visa in both.

The single biggest issue with all these options is that it's undetermined what facilities there are for yacht repairs and marinas in any of these countries. Our sister site http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Wor...d_Sailing_Wiki should have some details but if you have an issue with the yacht and need to stay longer there may be problems with officials. The one guy to ask on this site is Istioploos who has sailed this region extensively.

One option that you might find interesting (well I find it interesting anyhow) is Georgia on the Black Sea coast. It's far closer than the UK, you get to see the Turkish coast on the way (which is out of the Schengen region) and you can stay for up to a year. That's right, one whole year. Oh but wait, it gets better ... the cost of living is cheaper than Cambodia.

You could also visit Romania and Bulgaria on the return trip, both of which are close to joining the Schengen treaty. Honestly, that route is far more interesting than the tired, expensive old med countries and there would be no hurry at all if you used Georgia as a staging area.

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Old 01-08-2016, 03:09 AM   #18
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Correction: Norway and Iceland are part of Schengen.
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Old 01-10-2016, 12:20 AM   #19
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Hey Thanks Haiqu,
your input is exemplary.
I'll respond in order to your various pieces of material.
Firstly as a sailor with residence permit for Italy surely wouldn't mean I'd have to stay put?!! But your point is noted since clearly there is a grey area and frankly, I admit, I AM trying to beat the system. Mostly because it's a biased farkup, but also because I want the trip MY way, (just like anyone else eh?!) Because of this three months in Italy and three months in the Baltics may be a great way to do this.
Siege in Oregon?! Hell I'm armed let 'em come lol. But really, about that. Oregon is a huge state sparsely populated and that thing going on is so far I don't even know where it is or care, so once again we're safe.
Now Californians. Having spent the last 35 years or so there, and then transplanting to here, well, we have a joke too.

"Be sure to screw your head on extra tight when you cross the border because the idiot zone starts at Crescent City."

The only people around here with brains ARE Californians; so that light bulb joke would go something like this.
"How many Oregonians does it take to change a light bulb?"
"Can't be done"
I will continue to review the suggestions about the Baltics since you are SO convinced that's the way to go; even if I/we have zip for interest in those areas. Reminder; we aren't looking for a way to piss away the next five years as cheaply as we can in some obscure backwater middle Eastern territory. We have specific interest in tired old Europe for the cultural reasons of OUR evolution and growth and a trip up the canals of France and back one year won't be as unpleasant as you would have us believe, though your bias is noted and appreciated.
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Thanks for the props, bro. Nice to be appreciated.

Here's a link to that siege.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Day-Startu.../dp/B00NZFKB8S

If you're planning a trip up the canals, you'll need ICC plus CEVNI. Yacht will need a tabernacle and folding mast most likely, to get under bridges. There's a great e-book around about an English doctor who retired on 200 a year in the 1930s and did exactly that, but times have changed a lot.

http://www.bluemoment.com/200pm.html

I don't have any preference for the Eastern bloc particularly, except for cost. Well, the women are pretty hot too, and being single that's important I guess. :-)
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Yes mate, most important, and money counts too. It,s just that our reasons are directed towards my revisiting Spain after living there as a boy, sailing up to Mallorca and Barcelona, over to Italy, mebbe after a visit to the Gib for 3 months then who knows. Exploring the entire region by boat sounds pretty exhausting and perilous; and what about all those refugees swimming from Africa? lol I hear they're hell to get loose when they get caught in yer bobstay.
I just downloaded the entire RYA publications from a torrent, (see recent post WEATHER by Auzzee. There is also a link to a Maritime publications resource there and I even found global sailing directions.) and I have found the CEVNI available as an online test too.
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If you do wind up basing yourself in Italy, I'd suggest looking at the east coast rather than the west (fewer visiting yachts and so the marinas are more sensibly priced). Also, if you needed to get out of Schengen to reset your clock (either for you or the boat), Montenegro is a wonderful place to visit and is just a long day/night sail away.

I put together the Italy, Croatia and Montenegro sections on the Wiki and recompiled the Albania section in 2013, so most of the info there is fairly current.

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Atheneo,
that is goood info. I did a bit of research thus far over Albania and did find they have a few marinas, but as you say Montenegro is there too. Awesome. If we get that far then west would definitely have to be the way to go.
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No, I'm not employed by the Montenegro tourist board! I just think that it's one of the most special countries we've ever visited by yacht. Take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/6nnitblb0n...20Cup.pdf?dl=0 if you want to get a flavour of the experience.

By the way, there's only one marina in Albania (Italian run), which is Orikum. Safe but very isolated and with minimal infrastructure.

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Gordon,
I am sold. Don't you just LOVE places without billboards, signs, neon and McDonalds??!!
( I was in Paris and heard a crowd of gringos when they saw McDonalds on the corner.)
"Yaaaaaaaay, now we can eat"

Fargin disgustin lol.
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No, I'm not employed by the Montenegro tourist board! I just think that it's one of the most special countries we've ever visited by yacht. Take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/6nnitblb0n...20Cup.pdf?dl=0 if you want to get a flavour of the experience.

By the way, there's only one marina in Albania (Italian run), which is Orikum. Safe but very isolated and with minimal infrastructure.

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Thanks for the extra details, I figured there must be some place on that coast you could hole up for three months.

BTW I just found out where Lymington is. I've been staring at maps while doing some genealogy.

My paternal great great grandfather and his brother emigrated to Australia from the Isle of Wight in the 1850's, and most of my other ancestors of that era were from southern England as well. (Cornwall, Somerset, Kent, Surrey, Warwickshire, Essex). Then there were a couple of oddballs from the Isle of Man and Cork, Ireland.

You'd think with 16 great-great-grandparents from the UK and a grandfather who fought for the Empire in WW1 I'd be able to get a British passport (or at least residence in retirement), wouldn't you. Naah, not a hope in hell.
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Yea but don't you Aussies get a break in Canada?
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Dunno, I'll have to check on that. But ... singing mounties? Loonies? Whoa.
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