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Old 02-09-2012, 10:51 PM   #1
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Hello to all!

I am new to this forum. My name is Mira and I live in Kyiv, Ukraine's capital.

I've always dreamed to sail, but this year decided to finally do something about it. I am planning to go on a training course on a yacht in Ukraine and then look for opportunities to sail locally and further abroad as I gain some experience.

I feel so excited about it. I even dream about yachts at night :P I know I am a complete novice, but you gotta start somewhere. If you know any good training opportunities in Europe as well, or any tips, I will be grateful to know about them.

I also started saving for a boat (long time will be needed) but maybe in two-three years i can afford a small and used one

Glad to be here

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Old 02-09-2012, 11:26 PM   #2
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Every big adventure starts with a little dreaming, planning, and then some work to follow through.

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Mira, sailing is not difficult, and there is only one way to learn properly - that way is to get onto a boat and sail!

There are lots of organisations that will take a lot of money off you and give you bits of coloured paper in return. The more you are prepared to pay, the more they will take. They will teach you obscure names for things and behave in a wise and mysterious way.

There are very few rules that should not be broken, and they are all simple. Those relating to safety should always be obeyed. The other rules you must be aware of are those relating to who you sail with. A boat is a small place and you must sail with Honourable people rather than accomplished yachtsmen with a reputation.

If you really want a boat, you will get one. I am penniless and I have one! At the moment, you can get boats almost for nothing if you search the marinas on the Pacific West Coast of California. The recession has resulted in boats being abandoned at their moorings and you can buy them for what is owed to the Marina in mooring fees - or even for less than that. I know of a guy from Poland who bought a boat for US$10. Another person bought one for US$1600 . . . and so it goes on.

If you REALLY want it . . . you'll get there! I did!

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Solo9,

It is true that a boat can be purchased for very little. However, if one wishes to cruise, there is a certain amount of money that has to go into it to make it safe and seaworthy. That can be non-trivial in terms of required cash--it all depending upon what sad shape the boat was in originally. I think of a friend of mine that purchased a little Erikson 27 for $2500, then put $5500 into the rig and a little outboard. He was then able to coastal cruise with the boat. It wasn't a bluewater boat but it did what he wanted. He joked though that he had $8K into a $2.5K boat.
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Hi, Redbopeep!
The $10 dollar boat was perfectly serviceable and in good condition. I sailed on it and it went from San Pedro to Catalina island (I was not on board then) for two entire weekends whilst I was in San Pedro. It came complete with sails, but no motor. There was no provision for an inboard in the design and the outboard had been obviously been sold seperately.
Another friend of mine bought a fully equipped Blue Water cruiser - a sloop - - 28 ft - for $4000. It had radar, chartplotter, autohelm, wind instruments, several sails, a new diesel engine and was immaculate. He would prefer not to be named.
The $1600 boat required cosmetic work - paint mostly. It was bought by a proffessional man.
I can substantiate each of the above by reference to the people who bought them.
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Um, what kind of boats were they? Often sub-30 ft boats are extremely cheap to be had but they aren't often bluewater cruisers.

I do consider anything that can be put together for cruising at less than 10K total to be a very good deal. You can do it with several of the small boats that ARE bluewater capable. However $10K is a far cry from $10 dollars.
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Hello to all!

...
I've always dreamed to sail, but this year decided to finally do something about it. I am planning to go on a training course on a yacht in Ukraine and then look for opportunities to sail locally and further abroad as I gain some experience.
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I also started saving for a boat (long time will be needed) but maybe in two-three years i can afford a small and used one

Glad to be here

Cheers!

Mira
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Good idea to start with a training course. And maybe it is not necessary to do this in a commercial sailing school that costs alot of money. Are there sport clubs or do the local universities and colleges have sailing departments? The big advantage there is that you don't just take part in a course that ends with a certificate. It is more a long term membership with the potential to meet many other people with same the same idea: sailing!
Especially when learning how to sail the community you do it within is important and decides, if you do the sailing as a long term activity.
Here in the saturated western societies this changed over the last decades: Learning how to sail is done in well organized commercial sailing schools that hand out certificates and that enables the newly baked skipper to charter a sailing yacht for a week or two and that's it.
It's far better to start out small and local, getting to know people, maybe they have a (small) boat that needs a hand on the sheets and soon you are part of the community.
Is there any sailing done on the lake north of Kiev/Kyvi? From the satellite's view (Google) it looks quite nice!
In the last two decades (since the opening of the iron curtain) I found most impressive how young saylors from Poland, Russia and the Ukraine realized their dream of sailing: with sturdy, mostly self built yachts, with basic equipment, sailing the Med and western European waters! Obviously not the amount of money decided, it is more the spirit and endurance that got them (and hopefully you) on the water!

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