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Old 12-20-2010, 12:16 AM   #1
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We are happy one year owners of a 1982 Islander 36, shoal draft model, (5' 11" draft, fin keeled, displaces approx 14,500 lb,,), and new members of CruiserLog! We are happily cruising the central Chesapeake Bay region, learning and improving our vessel and technique. (We have been chartering boats for the previous 10 years and love being able to sail every weekend now, but it still is not enough....) We bought this boat with the intention of eventually doing a bit more extended, coastal cruising, (Carribean and New England). Our question to our new, "none terra firma based", neighbors, is , "Do you think a shoal draft vessel as desribed above, could be used for more Blue Water cruising ? I know Zac Sounderland circumnavigated in a regular draft Islander 36, but using a shoal draft for further travels???

The second part of my question while I the attention of my new neighbors, (please drop over for a beer if we should be anchored in the same gunkhole someday), is what are the most important and necessary equipment, systems and suggesttions for outfitting your boat for more extended cruising?

Thank You and looking forward to your response!
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:24 AM   #2
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enjoy your stay with us.

Not so sure about your own 1982 Islander 36 being "shoal draft" the reason, over the years Islander 36s have had specifications with differing drafts EG:: 73-6'0", 77-6'6",

79-6'0", 81-4'9", and yours at 5'11".

Can the keel on your 36 be raised and lowered. Only the one with a draft of 4'9" could really be termed "shoal draft". The Islander 36 if properly setup for off-shore sailing with all the appropriate equipment can sail the oceans with a competent crew, a good link is ISLANDER 36 Association :- The 36 is to be found all over the world.

The keel question is a good one, however it is hard to answer without knowing all the design features and specs that pertain to a specific boat and its specific keel. For example :-

The displacement, the composition of the keel, is the keel ballasted, where is the ballast situated in the keel. Where is the center of gravity. (If the ballast is at the bottom of the keel - then it will have a positive effect on the 'Counter poise factor' relative to the Mast and sails. If the ballast is near the water line the negative effect results in a boat that is tender)

The second question "is what are the most important and necessary equipment, systems and suggestions for outfitting your boat for more extended cruising?"

Most important first : Sails, rigging and engine in good condition. Ground tackle appropriate for all types of ground. Safety equipment. Navigation equipment limited to depths sounder, GPS, Compass,Charts. Tools and material to maintain. Shade from the sun. Agreeable Skipper and crew.
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Old 12-26-2010, 02:58 PM   #3
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We really appreciated a reply from such an experienced and estemed sailor as yourself. I threw the whole first question off with the wrong depth on our shoal draft Islander, Kairos depth is 4' 9". Her beam is 11' 2" 14,500 displacement and keel has approx. 6500 lbs of lead, all in her fin keel. The weight and ballast were the same as the standard fin keel Islander 36, (they just added the cutoff keel weight to the back of keel.) Do you think that's adequate for more extended ocean cruising? (Having ridden destroyer escorts across the Pacific 30 years ago- 4 years-, I have a sense of what we're up against)

We didn't buy this boat with "rose colored blinders on", but seemed the best boat for our money, after a long search . She is a thirty year old boat, that has been well taken care of, but is thirty years old boat, and a beauty. She was repowered (500 hrs on a 42hp Pathfinder, that runs well). Interior and hull in great shape. Most else needed work, (I am a 35 year carpenter/ construction superintendant, use to complicated projects, that don't move though, ). Our survey found alot, and missed a bit too, as we know now. The rigging survey, basically condemed the standing rigging and found a delaminating rudder and too much bottom paint buildup to say much, sounded well though. Survey also found some "minor" electrical problems and good electronics??

We pulled the mast, had it professionally repainted and electronics/ lights replaced (and rewired- all origional). We had all standing and running rigging replaced too. We put on new sails, (ours were origional). We hauled her and my wife and I sanded the many coats of bottom paint off (with proper dust vacumes and respirators). We had the delaminating rudder rebuilt, and redid all the gouges and minor blistering ourselves, (under the supervision of the fiberglass guru that was redoing the rudder). We finished all that with new bottompaint and repainted the redone "gouge damage" in her hull. We put in a new depth/speed transducer, carefully checked other through hulls, which seemed good. We did find some play in the cutless bearing and had it replaced. We also found that the electronics didn't work porperly and were very dated (early 90's stuff), and replaced all, (wind, autopilot, new GPS, VHF, stereo), left the somewhat working radar (this years project- can be upgraded and antena correction will correct). We also replaced the disintegrated leaking gaskets in the stainless steel operating ports (cleaned up beautifully) and hatch and equiped her with proper safety equipment! Rebedded the standing rigging chainplates (after inspection) And made new companionway boards, installed an anchor windlesss and new, more adequate anchor, (yes kept the other one for a spare/second). Also corrected all electrical problems on the survey and replace a few bad circut breakers, installed GFCI's Yes, alot, but so far she sails beautifully and we love her!

This year (winter) we are rebuilding the excellant bronze Wilcox-Crittiden "Winner" toilet, that came with her (have found and bought two kits for the future), and replacing the holding tank/ system, (UGG!, can't wait). We are also planning on reglazing and rebedding the rest of the ports, and stantions, making and installing a "cockpit table", and finally doing something with the brightwork. Also hope to get the bimini/ dodger resewn/ reinforced as they have problems.

We presently have , (2) 26 gallon stainless steel water tanks, and 32 gal. diesal fuel tank. We have (2) CNG cylanders that we carry (can we get them refilled, out there??).

What project/ improvements do you thnk are neccessary for us to really use Kairos to cruise with? Do you think it will be adequate?

We really appreciate any input!

Tom & Cay Jackson/ Karios

Kent Island, MD

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enjoy your stay with us.

Not so sure about your own 1982 Islander 36 being "shoal draft" the reason, over the years Islander 36s have had specifications with differing drafts EG:: 73-6'0", 77-6'6",

79-6'0", 81-4'9", and yours at 5'11".

Can the keel on your 36 be raised and lowered. Only the one with a draft of 4'9" could really be termed "shoal draft". The Islander 36 if properly setup for off-shore sailing with all the appropriate equipment can sail the oceans with a competent crew, a good link is ISLANDER 36 Association :- The 36 is to be found all over the world.

The keel question is a good one, however it is hard to answer without knowing all the design features and specs that pertain to a specific boat and its specific keel. For example :-

The displacement, the composition of the keel, is the keel ballasted, where is the ballast situated in the keel. Where is the center of gravity. (If the ballast is at the bottom of the keel - then it will have a positive effect on the 'Counter poise factor' relative to the Mast and sails. If the ballast is near the water line the negative effect results in a boat that is tender)

The second question "is what are the most important and necessary equipment, systems and suggestions for outfitting your boat for more extended cruising?"

Most important first : Sails, rigging and engine in good condition. Ground tackle appropriate for all types of ground. Safety equipment. Navigation equipment limited to depths sounder, GPS, Compass,Charts. Tools and material to maintain. Shade from the sun. Agreeable Skipper and crew.
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