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Old 05-17-2012, 07:55 AM   #15
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Brenda,

By your boat alone, you would leave quite an impression on fellow cruisers in the anchorage. I'll bet your personality fits your boat, classy and classic. The Sundeer is up there as to displacement, so your right, everything will be large and harder to deal with. The PDQ 36 light displacement is only 8500 lbs and also has a conservative sail area, so rather easy to deal with. The Catana even at 43' is only 15,000 lbs, so also rather light. I was much younger sailing my Cal 40 solo, I believe the two cats should be easier to manage sails during a blow.
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Old 05-17-2012, 11:47 PM   #16
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Gooday y'all - 'WL7GS' - Bob, SV Mahdee - Brenda & David. - Bob your abilities with mechanics & electrics are most admirable (non of which I'm comfortable with) so your choices will be very different & so it is allowed to be. As you - that's all of you (not me) get more mature & age does its thing (not me) - then everything gets to be a bigger task (except me - I can't get much more deteriorated) & horizens have to change. Oh & I'm going to hang in here & keep trying - very-trying, he. Comming to terms with those changes - which you will do I'm sure - & that'll give you some of the wisdom that Brenda has/is, with some small thanks to the rock (David) - - from us all.

Yes - you are right - as we have all seen over the years in this 'forum' "Classy & Classic" are all three - Mahdee - David & Brenda. You'll learn much from all the posts comming from that direction. I personally - say - Thank You.

Good luck with you eventual choice. Just before you put 'your final money down' - as the song goes - reread Brenda's wise observations - at least mentally - & I'm sure that will assist you in making a wiser decission.

Brenda - & you also David - thanks so much for making all our lives -wiser - happier - better balanced & much fuller. The wisdom of our observations is 'SUPA'.

If I ever get back to SF - I'll 'neek-aboard' - hide right next to the birds, cuddle the cat & become a stow-away for a passage or 6. What a magnificent yacht - if ever there was one. WOW.

Oh so very different to what I'm trying to purchase, which is at the other end of the universe. What we all have in common is; our love for the sea, sailing & our fellow people, respect for their values & this wonderful world we live in/on.

Grand sailing - y'all. Caio, james aka 'jj-geri-hat-trick' (so nic-named by Bob & the late Richard)
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Old 05-18-2012, 12:44 AM   #17
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If I ever get back to SF - I'll 'neek-aboard' - hide right next to the birds, cuddle the cat & become a stow-away for a passage or 6.
You're so nice when you write about us, James. Should you ever venture our way, we'd be happy to have you aboard. David warns that I (Brenda) am quite the task master of unsuspecting crew--if you look even the tiniest bit like you've got nothing to do, I'll put a project in your hands.

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Oh so very different to what I'm trying to purchase, which is at the other end of the universe.
You must tell us more about what you're trying to purchase. Make another thread--or something--and give us the fun of talking all about it! And, how we love to opine

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Old 05-18-2012, 01:31 AM   #18
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You're so nice when you write about us, James. Should you ever venture our way, we'd be happy to have you aboard. David warns that I (Brenda) am quite the task master of unsuspecting crew--if you look even the tiniest bit like you've got nothing to do, I'll put a project in your hands.



You must tell us more about what you're trying to purchase. Make another thread--or something--and give us the fun of talking all about it! And, how we love to opine

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Don't need another thread on my account, I have zero problem with anyone hyjacking a thread I started, in fact to keep traction I'll encourage hyjacking.

James, thanks for the heads up on David & Brenda. As the new guy on the block, I don't know who's who, or who are just fender kickers. I don't have a long history on CF, with only 1700 posts, but long enough to know the serious cruisers and delivery skippers from the masses of folks on that forum. In fact, now that I think about it, I was a member there for over a year before I "came out of the closet" and mentioned that I had an Unlimited Tonnage License and a CMA grad. That was prompted by a 200 ton captain sharing pictures of his lovely and shapely passengers for a bay cruise. In response to all the guys ooohing and aaawing over those pictures, I posted pictures of my "crew" of drillers, roughnecks, and roustabouts. Now the ladies were cheering for my studly guys and the next thing I know folks were asking about tonnage, propulsion, station keeping abilities, etc, and somehow I became popular among the cruisers there that were earning a living from the sea.

Here is the picture of the assistant driller the girls seemed to think was HOT.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:25 AM   #19
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Hi, sorry I missed your earlier posts, I must have been dozing.

I agree that a fast(er) monohull cruiser is better than a slow, can't get out of its own way cruiser, but as much as I admire Dashew's concepts and his Sundeers, I can't imagine spending that much money on that big a boat.

When we first got our SV Watermelon (Jeanneau Sun Fizz, 38.5 feet) I was intimidated by its size (!!). I would dig in my heels and refuse to go into a marina. Well, I got over it pretty quickly, but I still have an aversion to big boats. They are more work to clean and maintain, they're more work to sail.

Everything is bigger, as Brenda says, and bigger means more expensive. When one needs to rely upon gear to make things more manageable (electric winches, for example), I again balk. What happens when something goes wrong? How do you get the sail up? (or down?) without a power assist.

It seems to me that a monhull for a singlehander is such a better idea. More than once I laid the 'Melon on her side, sail in the water, and up she came quick as can be, and we were on our way again with only my pride bruised. Make the same mistake in judgment in a multihull and either the hull is upside down or the mast is gone.

Electric. A concept that husband Peter and I have toyed with for several years, but we've come to the conclusion that the technology is not yet up to snuff for small boats. Peter spent his active duty in the US Coast Guard on an ice breaker in the Arctic. Ice breakers had diesel generators (or nuclear, as in the case of the Russian ships) to run electric engines, but the scale of everything is massive, and weight is a good thing on an ice breaker, not such a good thing on a small sailboat. I haven't heard much encouraging news about the Lagoon electric engines lately, they seem to have encountered a number of problems. Still, I'd like to see this concept succeed.

We look forward to hearing more from you,.

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Old 05-19-2012, 04:06 PM   #20
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JeanneP,

It seems masterful sailors think alike. A Jeanneau Gin Fizz @ 38' and 30+ years old is what Laura Dekker is currently sailing. And that wasn't her first choice, as she had a small late model Hurley 800 that she loved and was dialed into, having taken it out in heavy weather constantly to see what it could do. The Dutch government stipulated a larger boat as one of the conditions of letting her start her solo circumnavigation.

I have to admit (and cater to) certain character flaws in myself, and that is the need for speed in flying, automotive, and boating. At the same time, when venturing into something new to me, these forums are a great place to learn from folks like yourself that "have been there, done that". Even though my thesis at California Maritime Academy was on minimum wetted surface vessels (i.e., fast ferries), my own personal experience is very limited to sailing a F28 tri at Lake Tahoe and San Diego. My old Cal 40 I singled handed from Long Beach to Muluge, and for the 1st 1,000+ nm was a downwind sail, very fast. This boat was a huge step up for me, as my previous sailing started in the 60's on a Flying Junior and 70's on a Rhoades 19. Have you ever experienced the thrill of thinking outside the box, and having made a major decision that you had tons of trepidation going in, to find out you couldn't have made a better choice? That was my feeling after a couple of short trips to Catalina Island, then cruising systems purchases (water maker, auto pilot, wind vane, inverter, refrigeration, Loran C, etc) that matched the $16K purchase (a long time ago), and now I'm making my very first solo offshore passage. I had to pinch myself, is this real, am I the owner of such a fast and capable boat? I'm sure a lot of you have experienced this, and with my next boat selection I want to experience this all over again.

I tend to think Naval designers would love to exercise the cutting edge that they learned in school, but to keep food on the table have to stay within the narrow confines of what a very conservative market demands in their boats. A-Frame masts come to mind, why don't I see more employed?
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