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Old 04-27-2012, 12:20 AM   #1
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I can't even remember if I've done an intro on CL. I'm on CF, and if memory serves, I've tried a few times to sign up here and had a problem with the registration process...... if this is the 2nd intro, who knows?

Name is Bob, grad of CMA, retired Merchant Marine, MM&P. Sailed a Flying Junior in the 60's, a Rhodes 19 later, then the jump to a Cal 40. Sold the Cal in Mexico and entered CMA, then break bulk, container, and drill ships. Looking forward to future cruising on my schedule and choice of destinations rather than the shipping company's direction.

Disregard the top paragraph, after posting this I saw my post count of one, so I be a newbie.

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Not much of a welcome. 73 views, not one "Hi".
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:30 PM   #3
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Maybe a picture of my last butt-ugly boat, all 32,000 tons. In heavy weather I could burn 1,000 gallons of diesel per hour just holding my position.


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Gooday '8' - sure hope I never run into you after dark. That's some big bump - you've got under your feet. Maybe no one wants to admit that theri 'Senile' or from California, eh ????

I'm an ex-pat Canuck - living in OZ & at the other end of -life's journey - hoping to sell the rural property & go back sailing - but I'll choose the warm sheltered (ha) waters of SE Asia.

Y'all have a great day over ther. ? is - how come it's not fixed to the bottom?? I'm sure we could all learn from your knowledge in controlling that monster.

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The sea floor is a mile down. In that picture we are ballasted up for transit to another drilling site. It has (7) 4.6 MW gen-sets and (6) 5,000 hp electric thrusters. Hotel and drilling loads are about 1 MW, fighting heavy weather can consume 30 MW.

Thanks for the welcome, I should have included pictures in my first post. Now I can cruise among the forum's topics and post with something more than just one post to my credit.
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Not much of a welcome. 73 views, not one "Hi".
Holy cow, how did we miss you?

We mods usually try and welcome every newcomer. Sorry to be late to the party.


Please do enjoy the forums, contribute where you can and ask questions along the way. It sound like you've had some fun sailing in your past. Any idea of what the "next sail boat" will be like for you?

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Don't know if I'm saying "Hi" to David or Brenda, but Hello. Your correct, my current boat search is down to a short list of 3. Sundeer 60, Catana 41'~43', and if I want a larger cruising kitty and smaller boat, a PDQ 36, all in the age range of 12~20 years old.
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Don't know if I'm saying "Hi" to David or Brenda, but Hello. Your correct, my current boat search is down to a short list of 3. Sundeer 60, Catana 41'~43', and if I want a larger cruising kitty and smaller boat, a PDQ 36, all in the age range of 12~20 years old.
Gooday '7' - James here aka silver raven. I'm the guy that said 'hello'

Could you tell me what a Sundeer 60 is, please ??? I've never heard of such a vessel before. You seem very comfortable with all the complicated mechanics of some of the multihulls these days - where as I am not - rather - I am a sailor of boats - not a motor(s) type person & would not be at all comfortable with much mechanics on board. Maybe what I'm trying not to say is that I'm a simple old man - ha ha . To much truth in that for me to continue to go there. Caio, james
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Gooday '7' - James here aka silver raven. I'm the guy that said 'hello'

Could you tell me what a Sundeer 60 is, please ??? I've never heard of such a vessel before. You seem very comfortable with all the complicated mechanics of some of the multihulls these days - where as I am not - rather - I am a sailor of boats - not a motor(s) type person & would not be at all comfortable with much mechanics on board. Maybe what I'm trying not to say is that I'm a simple old man - ha ha . To much truth in that for me to continue to go there. Caio, james
James,

The Sundeer 60 & 64 come from the fertile mind of world cruising guru Steve Dashew. Long on waterline, narrow beam, a very fast and capable off shore cruiser. It would pull higher nm daily runs than either of the two cats I'm also considering. Passage speed and well engineered cruising systems are its main claim to fame. Are you familiar with Dashew's books?

A friend, Nick aboard S/V Jedi, which is a Sundeer 64, has some very impressive 24 hour runs. The 64' is out of my price range but the 60' is at the high end, but doable.
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Hi there,

It's Brenda you're talking with (99% of the time here! and when it's David, I usually say something along the lines of "hubby says"...)

Given the choices, I'd be going with the Sundeer 60. I'm bipolar in my boating--either like techy fun stuff which works well (that would be anything Dashew comes up with) OR I like ultra simple traditional ways of doing things (that would be the schooner we own at present). No in-between for me.

How many people will be cruising together? 1, 2, 3? If solo, I wouldn't go with any of your choices, though.
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Hi there,

It's Brenda you're talking with (99% of the time here! and when it's David, I usually say something along the lines of "hubby says"...)

Given the choices, I'd be going with the Sundeer 60. I'm bipolar in my boating--either like techy fun stuff which works well (that would be anything Dashew comes up with) OR I like ultra simple traditional ways of doing things (that would be the schooner we own at present). No in-between for me.

How many people will be cruising together? 1, 2, 3? If solo, I wouldn't go with any of your choices, though.
That is what I like about seasoned cruisers, the advice flows. I'm a single hander with my last boat being a great old Cal 40. I'm older now and like the features of a cat, shallow draft, not as much rolling in an exposed anchorage, and quite the entertaining platform. Those are a lot of pluses for me, but for solo, long, open ocean passages, the Sundeer would be so relaxing, more comfortable at speed, able to cover more nm per day, and most important to me at least, the safety of a mono to de-power in a gust.
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That is what I like about seasoned cruisers, the advice flows. I'm a single hander with my last boat being a great old Cal 40. I'm older now and like the features of a cat, shallow draft, not as much rolling in an exposed anchorage, and quite the entertaining platform. Those are a lot of pluses for me, but for solo, long, open ocean passages, the Sundeer would be so relaxing, more comfortable at speed, able to cover more nm per day, and most important to me at least, the safety of a mono to de-power in a gust.

Gooday 'D-O' You could sure get some differing attitude comments about most of what you've said above. I for 1, would like to dispute some of what you seem to think - is a 'given' for I feel you might not be seeing the broader picture. IMHO - of course. These 'Sundeer 60's are very expensive - to my budget @ $395K USD & up to $995K USD - It would want to be one hell of a yacht for that kind of money. There are some 'grand' yachts 'out-there' for that kind of money - for sure. Greek economy what it is - are giving away some very nice yachts for 'fire-sale' prices & it's going to keep going down & down a long way yet.

I still can't equate the difference between 1/ Sundeer 60 - 2/ Catana 41'/43' - 3/ PDQ 36' ??? I can't get these 3 to line-up as to sailing ability, sea-worthiness, underhanded sailing safety. I am not able to get them in the same book let alone on the same - comparison page. Might you let us know - where you're coming from??? Please !!!

I'm sure Brenda & David as well - would have me 'certified' & feet in concrete - if they knew what I'm buying - to go cruising. It's definitely not your average 'cruising' yacht - but - it's quick enough to get me - a long way out of trouble (or as life deals everyone - a long way into the middle of big trouble)

My thoughts are - if you want to go sailing - then buy a 'sailing boat' - if you want to motor then buy a motor boat - if you want a 'condo' get one that's 10 stories-up so you can watch all the little sail boats doing their sailing thingy. (or a drilling platform, hay?) You can't have both in the same package. Don't believe me - go into 'miltihulls 4 us' & see what Paul & Lesley are trying to do - IT does not work - no matter how hard you try - what you knowledge or how many millions you throw at it.

Keep safe & enjoy - 'Go chasing & live your dream' - Ciao, james
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Gooday 'D-O' You could sure get some differing attitude comments about most of what you've said above. I for 1, would like to dispute some of what you seem to think - is a 'given' for I feel you might not be seeing the broader picture. IMHO - of course. These 'Sundeer 60's are very expensive - to my budget @ $395K USD & up to $995K USD - It would want to be one hell of a yacht for that kind of money. There are some 'grand' yachts 'out-there' for that kind of money - for sure. Greek economy what it is - are giving away some very nice yachts for 'fire-sale' prices & it's going to keep going down & down a long way yet.

I still can't equate the difference between 1/ Sundeer 60 - 2/ Catana 41'/43' - 3/ PDQ 36' ??? I can't get these 3 to line-up as to sailing ability, sea-worthiness, underhanded sailing safety. I am not able to get them in the same book let alone on the same - comparison page. Might you let us know - where you're coming from??? Please !!!

I'm sure Brenda & David as well - would have me 'certified' & feet in concrete - if they knew what I'm buying - to go cruising. It's definitely not your average 'cruising' yacht - but - it's quick enough to get me - a long way out of trouble (or as life deals everyone - a long way into the middle of big trouble)

My thoughts are - if you want to go sailing - then buy a 'sailing boat' - if you want to motor then buy a motor boat - if you want a 'condo' get one that's 10 stories-up so you can watch all the little sail boats doing their sailing thingy. (or a drilling platform, hay?) You can't have both in the same package. Don't believe me - go into 'miltihulls 4 us' & see what Paul & Lesley are trying to do - IT does not work - no matter how hard you try - what you knowledge or how many millions you throw at it.

Keep safe & enjoy - 'Go chasing & live your dream' - Ciao, james
James,

Agreed, you would not normally have those 3 boats on the same page, so I will explain my madness. Whatever I get I will want to refit for a hybrid diesel/electric drive and redo the galley to all electric. The reasons is I've never experienced the absolute control for maneuvering that I had professionally with electric propulsion. Also, I have designed and built EVs, so am comfortable with motors and controllers. The PDQ 36 would be fine for Mexico and the Caribbean, not the best passage maker, but with the 9.9 hp outboards would be an easy upgrade to electric outboards. The Catana would be faster and a better passage maker than the PDQ, and of course a Sundeer 60 would leave the least in the cruising kitty. Should I get a wild hair and want notoriety for the opposite of Laura Dekker, like a record for the most solo circumnavigations by an old fart, the Sundeer would win my favor hands down.
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That is what I like about seasoned cruisers, the advice flows.

I was just telling you what I would do--not what you should do.

On multi-hulls, I like them for comfort and shallow draft, I'm just much more comfortable dealing with a monohull in general.

You're a guy, you may be quite strong. I'm a gal and though strong for a gal, I'm not all that strong. Sailing gals with any brains think a lot about what they're not strong enough to do in heavy weather so they can have a "work around" in place when needed. Rather than constantly being pressured by the large size, weight, and momentum of everything on a larger vessel, one such work around is to have a boat with manageable sized equipment--that means having a smaller vessel if solo sailing (for me).

Big boat=big stuff everywhere. Our boat has enough big stuff everywhere for me to know that I'd never want to solo sail it even though the sailing part itself wouldn't really be the problem. I would be the problem. I could raise, reef, and douse sails. But if I have to change out the sails--I couldn't do it at sea, The only sail which is small enough for me to be comfortable dealing with is the staysail. I can hardly lift the (smallest) Yankee jib off the deck. Gotta drag the 100% jib anywhere I take it, forget about ever getting the 1o0 lb foresail or 120 lb mainsail bent on by myself at sea. I've watched hubby winch down the mainsail to the second reef while we were exceeding hull speed on a run in big, short, seas and 25-30 knots of wind. I couldn't have done it myself alone. This I know. Similar story with the large diesel engine--everything is bigger, everything takes more strength to deal with if you must work on it. I have a pipe I use as a breaker bar (extend handle) to open and close our 2-1/2" main raw water seacock. Similarly, I have to use that breaker bar for closing the valves on the exhaust lines. Solo sailor = on your own to deal with it, no matter what "it" is. I do love the idea of the Sundeer--a lovely, fast, boat--but not solo. Big is big is...big.

You can go cruising in just about anything you'd like to go cruise in. I really enjoy hearing about what people ARE cruising in. Certain boats will do better in certain conditions for sure. When we were rebuilding our sailboat (a pre-WWII 29Ton schooner), many people were asking "why?" and saying to us "for the money of that rebuild you could get...fill in the blank with each person's favorite cruising boat" ...but we wanted the experience of doing what we're doing--living and sailing aboard a cruising boat built as a cruising boat in the early part of the 20th century. That's one of the fun parts of cruising--seeing people do what they want to do with their own cruising boat. I must admit during a meltdown early in the rebuild we almost scrapped the project and went cruising on our little Rawson 30. That's a boat, fully outfitted for cruising, which doesn't cost as much as the ground tackle and windlass on this boat. You can cruise on anything. It's just a matter of doing it.

Our "top three contenders" for a cruising boat?

A classic sailing yacht--pre WWII, schooner or ketch rigged, and originally built for cruising;
A custom ketch, aluminum hulled and very similar in design and size to the Sundeer you like;
A trailerable Corsair trimaran;

What do they have in common? Nothing. Each fulfilled a particular cruising goal that we had--and still do have. I don't doubt that if we live long enough cruising, we'll end up having all three experiences.

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