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Old 08-27-2012, 06:43 PM   #29
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I didn't catch that "Argentina" part. What you call "Systems Engineer" might draw a very good income in the SF Bay area on a contract basis, but being from Argentina, work permit might prove a difficulty.

OTOH, I can tell you from experience that if you can solve a problem and aren't looking for official full time work, nobody really checks your credentials all that carefully as long as you can do what it is you say you can do. The pay can be shockingly large, though the cost of living is stunning, too.

In 25 years, nobody has ever asked to see my degree or for any proof that I actually earned it.
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Brenda,

They are eight, five, three yrs old and youngest is 11 months.

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Brenda,

They are eight, five, three yrs old and youngest is 11 months.

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Oh, I want to share an anchorage with your family! Do you have pics? Can we see?
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There are first-world jobs and lifestyles and there are cheap jobs and lifestyles. The big magic trick is to live a nice but simple low cost lifestyle and still earn like a professional in a real city.

As I said earlier, the money an engineer in Silicon Valley can easily make is astounding and a few months of pay will support a very nice cruising lifestyle for a year. If you can make 5K a week for a couple months and somehow manage not to spend it while you earn it, you have a lot of options.

An anchorage or beach hut in Mexico is a nice lifestyle and costs almost nothing. $1000/month offers some small luxury and a lot of good food. I've been happy there on less.

The trick is that the two are disjointed. You absolutely cannot live cheap in Silicon Valley, Tokyo, New York, London, etc. They are just different worlds. Anyone who can somehow manage to work in one world and live in the other has an advantage.

I remember living in San Diego and knowing a couple men who lived in Mexico and worked in San Diego. Cost: A couple hours a day of border crossing and this was before 9/11. Benefit: A beach house for $600 a month.

Living in big money society also gives pressure to live the lifestyle. $100 dinners and fancy cars and huge rent, etc. I see a lot of guys making good money and spending every dime or more.

Still, I know it can be done. If you establish the relationships where you can return for brief periods to work and live cheap while there, you might be able to do it. I know a world traveler who lives very well on $900/month and sometimes comes back for a few weeks at a time when an old friend needs a job done. He has to take it as it comes, though.
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The trick is that the two are disjointed. You absolutely cannot live cheap in Silicon Valley, Tokyo, New York, London, etc. They are just different worlds. Anyone who can somehow manage to work in one world and live in the other has an advantage.

I dunno. We don't happen to work in Silicon Valley (contract work elsewhere is more lucrative and interesting for us at the time) but even so at present we live aboard the boat in Redwood City. $250/mo liveaboard fee, $10/ft slip $0.12/KWhr used (been about $15-$25/mo on the electric). Free wi-fi. Cheap mobile phone. Walking distance to public transportation/Caltrain, biking distance to many jobs in Silicon Valley (Palo Alto 8 mi, Sunnyvale 16 miles). We seldom drive but when we do we drive an old, old car that costs us about $250/mo when we add up the insurance/repairs/gas. There are 6 grocers within walking distance and many more further away. Some of them very inexpensive, some not. We don't eat out all that much--the food, cleaning supplies, catfood, and drink costs are mostly from eating at home and come in from $450/mo for a low month to $700/mo when we're entertaining/eatingout or contributing to potlucks alot.

There are marinas further away where one could live for less, but the transportation costs to get to the Silicon Valley area would eat up the savings.

So--think about it, living aboard your cruising boat in one of the best spots to make high wages in the USA, and one of the best sailing locations on the US west coast, an average cruising couple with an average 40' boat could make do on less than about $1500/mo including food and transport. Sure that wouldn't include clothing or medical or other things that we all have to deal with, but even so, it's pretty inexpensive.

One could travel up and down the west coast of North America making a stop here for a bit of money making...for a long time...
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We prefer the idea of traveling and making money where ever we may be to working in a fixed location. It seems that the world is pretty full of good "fixed locations" to work though if folks aren't keen upon starting a business and taking off on their own. Here's what work looks likeThings Trudge Along - Startup Anywhere | Startup Anywhere from aboard our boat.
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Wow, peep. You do really well. And I agree there is a lot of great cruising right here. I can't leave for a while because of my progeny. I'd love to take off to Mexico or points south, but as long as I'm stuck here and stuck living in a house and working for a living, things are much better than they could be. At least it isn't Missouri. I get lots of opportunities to cruise in California.

When the time comes I can abandon a house entirely, though, I will be looking for places cheaper and warmer.
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There is also the option of being in the right place at the right time. A lot of coastal towns in seasonal tourist area's need fill in staff during tourist season. This is more a tradie's paradise than management but works for Di and I. You still get to live on your boat, Sail away on weekends and move on when and if it suits you.
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Good point. Also, where you have, say Americans or Canadians living in Mexico or other Spanish speaking countries, there is a need for things such as massage therapists, hair stylists, etc. who speak English and have an American sense of punctuality and service. I've seen lots of American communities where the people, or at least some fraction of them, are willing to pay for service they are more comfortable with.

Same with building skills. You can get people to do work for very little in Mexico, but a man who knows how to make windows and roofs not leak, can make a toilet flush every time without problem, can make a cement foundation that won't crack or slip can make a living. This is especially available for Mexicans who have lived and worked in the US for a couple decades, speak perfect English as well as Spanish, and really understand their trades.
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Skills are key. We know a fellow who took is boat into a Mexican yard to do a complete rebuild (on his own) and he ended up installing electronics for the yard into many other boats--for about 1.5 years while he was working on his own boat. It was a great situation. Those types of opportunities pop up and you just have to "go with it" so to speak.

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I know of three fellow Chiropractors who on a fluke went and did work in a place they wanted to visit and thought doing a part time locum would be a nice way to offset the costs of going. None of them have returned long term to the US. It really has to do with what you consider the good life. I am looking forward to the possibility of moving back to Italy and practicing while Sarah my wife gets her degree in music education. Most likely will be living on a boat while we are there as it is the cheapest way to live in that part of Italy (does require a bit of a commute to school for her but we are seriously looking into it).

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I tell you I've been deeper into the various options for my family. Mainly we try to focus on getting options that allow us to develop the dentists for her.
Brazil is still a very attractive option for us. It is relatively easy for us to get work in the Mercosur countries, because trade agreements.
Then we could sail a time when we need to get some money for a few months radicarnos the coast of brazil windy. But far from these is dificl to predict. With the trends that you have shown us we are hopeful that we can adapt to exploit any opportunities along the way.

Well, I can not avoid, I am a very optimistic person

And now I have to open many more topics. But first I'm going to read more on the old forum. I leave a list:

Size, material and model boat
where to Buy
Equipment
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Have fun reading--ask questions on the other topics when they come up there as well.

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And I have a cost not very clear. The sails, takes about 4 to 5 years if proper care?
If sails are used carefully then 5 years is very achievable. Most sails today will have a plastic layer "calendered" into the material when they are new, and a good rule of thumb is that once that layer is gone, the cloth will be softening, destabilizing, taking UV damage and starting to need replacement.

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