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Old 01-29-2013, 01:09 PM   #155
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Bit of a weird day here. First disappointment was when I discovered all the recent repair work was ruined. The filler I've been using is indoor/outdoor but I guess that doesn't include 12 hours of torrential rain. It turned to mush, even after sanding and painting. So those beautiful repairs you've seen above will need to be redone.

The next item on the agenda was fitting the topping lift halyard. Got it up there fine, but the pulley is fitted east-west instead of north-south so I'll have to put that on the list of things for Pete to look at next time he's back in town. I've ordered a replacement of the original pulley so they can just be swapped over.

Then I decided to solve the mystery of why all my dome lights glow in the dark, even with the switches off. This only started after I replaced the incandescent globes with LEDs, and since these LEDs have been poor quality generally I though I'd discovered yet another fault in them. Disconnecting one wire proved that theory worng, they still glowed! Turns out the Taiwanese bleepards that built these light fittings put the switch in the negative line, allowing them to leak even when switched off. Rewiring all four fixed it, but that was a waste of an evening where I could have been doing something more productive.

I hate having to redo stuff, especially when I've already paid good money for a brand new product that's supposed to do the job. Do I have to make everything myself, even filler and light fittings?
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:06 PM   #156
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When I need filler I use Plasti Bond, use it like bog, its a two part ... hardens in a few minutes and dries tougher than anything except for epoxy. Waterproof as well and available at most hardware stores in different size lots. Been using it as a filler for years.

Tip use a block and some 80 paper on it just before it fully hardens and that will make it easier to finish as its hard as hell to sand once it has set fully ...like in about 10 minutes.

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Sounds like its been a bugger of a day.
One of the problems peculiar to boats is that they 'rack'. As a wave passes underneath, buoyancy changes along the length of the hull causing it to twist or rack. Unlike a motor car, there is no suspension and the structure must absorb these unequal stresses.

Indoor/outdoor filler, even two pack such as vehicle bog, is not designed for use over timber and will loosen and 'pop' quickly especially if the timber is not 100% dry and solid. Most hardware shop type fillers are also hydroscopic, meaning they will absorb water, and salt and will crumble into sludge sooner or later.

Filling alone is, from a structural viewpoint, potentially dangerous as it hides weak points which may fail spectacularly in a big sea when the boat is racking heavily. Where timber is the medium to be repaired it can be done two ways. It can be replaced, or the damage can be cleaned out (where dry rot has set in) stabilised, braced and filled.

Everdure is the best item to use, after cleaning out the bad stuff, for stabilising. Being a very thin 2 part resin, it wicks into the timber and makes it exceptionally strong, allows flexibility and creates a good key for marine epoxy fillers to be used with a brace such as triaxial fibre glass cloth. This cloth acts in a way similar to reinforcing rods in concrete. The epoxy should be applied so that when it is set, it remains below the surrounding surface of 'good' timber. Epoxy being plurry hard, makes sanding it back against timber almost impossible without removing more timber than epoxy. So, the final fairing' can be done using the epoxy mixed with fairing powder. This bonds well, is also flexible and can be worked like teak. A final sand with 400 grit and a coat of paint, and the repair will outlast the surrounding timbers.

There are many products which appear as though they should be just the ducks nuts for use on a boat. But, Bunnings chandlery is always false economy. Bathroom silicone, roof silicone and such are simply no good. Sika products although initially expensive will save you a fortune, Bunnings stainless is usually not 316 and no matter what you are told by an enthusiastic aisle expert, the only plywood to use on a boat is marine ply. Structural, exterior, form ply etc. use the wrong sort of timber entirely. This is the main reason why so many home built trimarans flew to bits in the 60s and 70s and left the style with such a poor rep.

There's no doubt re-doing work is a pain, but just think....you can have all the fun over again. And don't feel bad....every one reading this will have had a similar experience. One day, when my embarrassment is sufficiently faded, I will relate my major DIY galley goof of 20 odd years ago...But for the moment, the psychological scars are still far too fresh...
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There's no doubt re-doing work is a pain, but just think....you can have all the fun over again. And don't feel bad....every one reading this will have had a similar experience. One day, when my embarrassment is sufficiently faded, I will relate my major DIY galley goof of 20 odd years ago...But for the moment, the psychological scars are still far too fresh...
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Ooohh yea, you are perfectly right.
I love reading this thread with all the warm thought coming up about the awful things I had to do to my boat over the last 20 or more years.

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Another trick with epoxy fillers is to smooth them over with a wet soapy finger before they set. You'll find you can get a pretty smooth finish that way.

Go up the mast on the halyard on the east/west pulley, put an additional north/south pulley in place above or next to it, and leave the east/west one up there for a flag halyard or similar. You never know when you're going to need an extra block at the top of the mast.

I have a nice new bosun's chair. Did I mention to everyone here that my previous bosun's chair broke (webbing split) while I was half way up the mast? Interesting experience that was.
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I'm home somewhere around the 7th if this swing doesn't run over and would be happy to help. I'll be home for about 5 weeks so get your list of mast jobs together and we'll try to knock them out in a day. Is a wind indicator on your list? The other option to turn the block through 90 degrees is to add a second shackle. You will lose an extra 30mm of height but I can't see this being a problem.

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When I need filler I use Plasti Bond, use it like bog, its a two part ... hardens in a few minutes and dries tougher than anything except for epoxy. Waterproof as well and available at most hardware stores in different size lots. Been using it as a filler for years.
I've used about 20kg of this Parfix filler. That much plastibond would almost exceed the value of the boat!
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I'm home somewhere around the 7th if this swing doesn't run over and would be happy to help. I'll be home for about 5 weeks so get your list of mast jobs together and we'll try to knock them out in a day. Is a wind indicator on your list? The other option to turn the block through 90 degrees is to add a second shackle. You will lose an extra 30mm of height but I can't see this being a problem.

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Hi Pete,

Already ordered the Ronstan part (it was only $15) so a straight swap is the go. The one we put up there is a bit small anyhow.

I do have some other items on the list, including two VHF antennas (one for radio, one for AIS) and the wind indicator. Since I don't know what the mount for the wind indicator should look like it's a bit hard to select one.

There was a chance I may have had to go to Brissy if the other yacht had gone missing but my brother seems to have that in hand for now.

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There's no doubt re-doing work is a pain, but just think....you can have all the fun over again. And don't feel bad....every one reading this will have had a similar experience.
This must be a definition of "fun" of which I have hitherto been unaware. As far as instructional exercises go, I think I'm preaching to the choir here.

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Still smarts after 20 years? Now that's a story I'd like to hear.
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Drove up to Caporns in Brookvale today to collect the Rosewood they machined for the cabin rails. Imagine my surprise when I saw they were 20 x 45 and not 25 x 50 as specified. Evidently woodworkers live in some kind of time warp where the sizes specified are pre-machining, and they lost 5mm in each direction to saw blade width and facing tools. Which wouldn't be so bad if they had supplied rough sawn as specified, instead of facing all four sides. They also didn't know the difference between a chamfer and a radius, by the looks of the little skim on the top two edges. And these people are boat timber SPECIALISTS! Humbug.

Then off to Bunnings, where I was immediately pissed off again to be told they didn't have blanks for the most common house key on the planet, since they had run out of them. I needed keys cut urgently to send one by overnight bag to my brother so he can go aboard Shenoa and run the bilge pumps - if he can find her after the 225mm of rain and hurricane force winds - but that will have to wait until Friday now.

If I were a girl I would have bought shoes to cheer myself up, but I did what any red-blooded male would do under the circumstances. I bought power tools. Circular saw, orbital sander, multi-function tool with a detail sander, and a nice new toolbag. Damn the torpedoes, I'm gonna finish this ship if it keels me.

Oh yeah, and to top that off the dinghy has a crack in the bottom, which is one reason she was sitting so low in the water yesterday, so I'll have to haul her aboard and apply a patch. Thankfully I bought a fibreglass repair kit a few weeks back. It took 20 minutes to drain the buoyancy compartments through a 1/4" hole when I got ashore today. :-/

At least the mail brought some interesting stuff. Two small items that were posted from HK in mid-November arrived (I already got a Paypal refund on them) and the new HF radio. I'll be playing with that tonight.

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Looking back at the photos and matching that with what I recall from when I was last up there... The wind indicator is mounted off that 5 x 30 stainless steel flat bar that has been bent at both ends and through bolted. The vertical round section was definitely welded to the flat bar. There was clearance underneath for thread and lock nut if we could grind the post off and re-drill it. Stainless is a nightmare to work with but we'll get through it if you want to. Alternate ideas welcome. What are the mounting options?

I don't know where you want your antennas mounted but if I were to remove the windex and send it down to the deck we may be able to add another piece of flat bar to extend out further 'east / west' to mount your aerials etc.

Have a think about it but a windex is highly recommended.
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And now for something less grumpy. Impishly I sent the previous owner of Shenoa an email yesterday saying that if she was still there I'd buy him a beer. Well, an Aussie will do anything for a beer and he got curious. Just received an email telling me that she's right where he left her, which was more than could be said for several other that had washed up along the shoreline.

He also said she's a little low at the aft end and will need pumping out, which is understandable considering the rain that fell there. Anyhow I just got my apetite back.
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Welded Pete? Oh crap. Uh, I was thinking of putting the antennas on the spreader but up there would be heaps better.
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Good for you ...so did he offer to pump her out???
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