Go Back   Cruiser Log World Cruising & Sailing Forums > Cruising Forums > Living Aboard
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login

Join Cruiser Log Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-01-2014, 09:52 PM   #1
Ensign
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Lowestoft
Posts: 32
Default Saving Money

Hi Guys n Gals

Looking at the "cost of living on a boat" type blogs I note the large amount of money that goes on marina fees.
So what is your approach to saving money ?

Thanks
__________________

__________________
Captain Ludd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2014, 01:31 AM   #2
Admiral
 
haiqu's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Keppelena
Posts: 1,519
Default

Don't stay at marinas. :-)
__________________

__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water... sweat, tears, or the sea" -- Isak Dinesen

I've Contributed to the Cruisers Wiki: All sections
haiqu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2014, 05:19 AM   #3
Admiral
 
Auzzee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Home Port: Darwin
Vessel Name: Sandettie
Posts: 1,822
Default

Depending on the boat you buy, marinas may not always be easy to avoid. Modern boats with hi-tech energy hungry systems are far more comfortable when the systems are fully operational from a shore power mains electrical system.

One alternative to marina living in this style of boat, is the use of a generator. However, bear in mind there is nothing more annoying to the average yottie, than being in a quiet bay when someone else fires up a genny to run their airconditioning.

A more simple boat without any dependence on 110/240v refrigeration, hot water, aircon, heating, etc., means you can enjoy life afloat away from marinas without becoming a bloody nuisance to your peers...and often, without needing to be constantly near repairers.

The more simple the boat, the less expense in keeping the systems maintained. It is worthwhile noting the difference in maintenance and operating costs between a 35' and a 45' (or in my case my new 37'6" as opposed to the previous 53' boat). Smaller is cheaper and a 20% longer boat is not just 20% more expensive to keep and maintain.

Another dollar saver, is your DIY ability. If you can do a job properly, do it and save a bit. If you can't do it properly due to either a lack of application or a lack of professional knowledge, get someone who does know how to do it. It'll save dollars in the long run.
__________________
"if at first you don't succeed....Redefine success"!


Auzzee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2014, 12:10 PM   #4
Ensign
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Lowestoft
Posts: 32
Default

Thanks for that. I've only made a couple of long trips, both times with a retired navy man as skipper and he seemed to have a knack of getting a berth on the commercial part of the port paying peanuts (by comparison) direct to the harbourmaster.
On the size issue I'm leaning towards a 38ft cat so that will add to the cost of a marina sadly but seems a more comfortable vessel and fridges etc as almost a necessity in this day and age. I'm too long in the tooth to become and eco-warrior now :-)
__________________
Captain Ludd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2014, 09:13 AM   #5
Admiral
 
haiqu's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Keppelena
Posts: 1,519
Default

So, not a Luddite then ... how confusing.
__________________
"The cure for anything is salt water... sweat, tears, or the sea" -- Isak Dinesen

I've Contributed to the Cruisers Wiki: All sections
haiqu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2014, 12:41 PM   #6
Ensign
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Lowestoft
Posts: 32
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by haiqu View Post
So, not a Luddite then ... how confusing.
I have been outed (again !!).
I am politically against a lot of "progress", but my head says.....buy the best radar I can afford.
__________________
Captain Ludd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2014, 11:01 AM   #7
Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Home Port: Portsmouth
Vessel Name: No Worries
Posts: 79
Default

Buy a really good modern anchor and make sure you have an electric windlass fitted. If it is easy to deploy and retrieve then you are more likely to use it and feel safe. I met a couple in Portugal who hadn't used a marina in about 20 years and they had done quite a few Atlantic circuits! Also lots of solar and wind power means self reliance.
__________________
steve_h is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2014, 12:20 PM   #8
Ensign
 
Join Date: May 2011
Home Port: Lowestoft
Posts: 32
Default

Thanks Steve
Electric windlass-winches are very very high on my wish list.
Wind and solar systems to drive them is also in there.
__________________
Captain Ludd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2014, 01:50 PM   #9
Rear Admiral
 
Aquaria's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Home Port: Hamburg
Vessel Name: Aquaria
Posts: 278
Default

When years back sailing the Algarve Coast (Portugal) with some nice anchorages we met a couple from the UK that was perfectly well equipped to spend long times at anchor: A not too big boat, basic electric equipment, solar panels and good heavy anchor gear.
But sooner or later you have to visit a marina and they were always well informed about the checking in- and checking out times: Soo, in most ideal situations they spent more than 36 hours in the marina und just had to pay for one night!

And the older we get, the more time we spend in marinas....
Now we ALWAYS ask for the rates for long term stays - pretty soon it makes sence to book for a week or a month, whatever the marina offers and it might end up to be cheaper for example to pay for a month instead of the daily rates for 2 weeks...

This also works elswhere: We just recently did that in France, sailing the Channel coast. But did not get any such bargains on the other side along the British channel coast: Some marinas offered a day for free after 6 days of paying the (expensive) daily fees, other places just offer a day free of charge later in the off season - something like October to March... a time you voluntarily not really like to be in this area sailing and living on board...

Uwe
SY AQUARIA
__________________
If you have the time, you alwas have the right winds.

More on my Centurion 32:
http://www.cabinetdeparodontologie.n...ria/index.html
I've Contributed to the Cruisers Wiki: Germany, Background, Cruising/Sailing the German Bight
Aquaria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2014, 01:13 AM   #10
Moderator
 
delatbabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 698
Send a message via AIM to delatbabel
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Ludd View Post
Thanks Steve
Electric windlass-winches are very very high on my wish list.
Wind and solar systems to drive them is also in there.
If you check the output of most wind/solar systems against the current requirements of most electric windlass systems you'll find that you can't run them from wind/solar. For the time you're hauling anchor you'll need your engine running with a decent alternator.

The windlass is one exception I have on my boat to the "I don't need the engine running or shore power plugged in to run this gadget" thing. The other is the fairly hefty work laptop and monitor I have, but I only need that when I'm working and generally that means being in a marina.

12v eutectic fridge, 12v freezer, no washing machine or microwave, low power navigation laptop and instruments, gas stove (and water heating), none of this needs shore or engine power. I have 3 x 80W and 1 x 200W panels, a 100W wind generator and a 100W towed generator to power that stuff. The big draw at sea is the autopilot but I also have a windvane if I want, and in any case the towed generator gives me enough oomph for the autopilot.
__________________
= New South Wales, Queensland,
delatbabel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2014, 03:55 AM   #11
Moderator
 
redbopeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Home Port: Washington DC
Vessel Name: SV Mahdee
Posts: 3,225
Default

windlass use while no engine running:

Our windlass motor is 1kW, we run at 36VDC, our 12V bank is 400AH, and we have 2 additional batteries (to get to 36V) bringing our 36V bank to 100AH only. When we run the windlass, we draw less than 30A (um slightly over 27) for however many minutes it's on. We don't have to have our engine on--we will draw down the two smaller AH batteries faster than the house 12V bank but it all works out. We usually run the windlass for less than 15 minutes (usually far less than that), so 15 min=.25 hr * 30A (or less) would be 7.5 AH or so used "in theory" but we know that to be a little too low--when running that high of a current with only a 100AH battery bank, the internal resistance of the batteries are going to mean we're not going to get anything close to only drawing down the 7.5 AH of the 100AH batteries.

No matter--we do have enough experience with this setup to know we don't have to have the engine running (which only charges the starter battery or the house battery, btw) for this to work.

When we got the boat, we had several chargers (came with the boat) as well as a mixture of wet cel and gel cel batteries. So we decided to use the chargers in parallel to allow us to use all these disparate batteries. It has worked well for us.

Our charging system uses 3 chargers and charges each battery bank (1st 400AH is the "12V" bank, 2nd battery is 100AH and we call it the 24V bank and 3rd battery of 100AH we call the 36V bank) separately as mentioned. This is actually very cool because we get really high utilization from each of the chargers when running our Honda EU2000 or the diesel generator. So we can charge 100 Amps total if needed.

Fair winds,
__________________
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda

What we're doing - The sailing life aboard and the Schooner Chandlery.

redbopeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2014, 04:01 AM   #12
Moderator
 
redbopeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Home Port: Washington DC
Vessel Name: SV Mahdee
Posts: 3,225
Default

PS on Saving Money:

1. don't stay at marinas
2. don't heat water aboard and skip the refrigeration for that matter
3. skip the long showers aboard anyway
4. stop drinking alcohol
5. eat at home not at restaurants
6. buy quality equipment that will last
7. when it's all junk consider not buying it at all
8. fix things yourself
9. buy a boat big enough to be happy at anchor but small enough to not break the bank if you're fixing things
__________________
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda

What we're doing - The sailing life aboard and the Schooner Chandlery.

redbopeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2014, 04:55 AM   #13
Moderator
 
delatbabel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 698
Send a message via AIM to delatbabel
Default

Certainly if you have 36V running to the windlass you can do it with less current. Mine has a 12V motor drawing around 120A (I think its a 1500W motor so it's a shade over 120A) and I can't push that out without the engine running, because the battery voltage drops too low when I try. I have done it once for a minute or so then it gives up -- works fine with no load though, e.g when using the motor to lower the anchor.

I don't have a genset on board. I've considered it but discarded the idea in favour of more solar and towed generator power.
__________________
= New South Wales, Queensland,
delatbabel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2014, 05:21 AM   #14
Moderator
 
redbopeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Home Port: Washington DC
Vessel Name: SV Mahdee
Posts: 3,225
Default

120A draw ! our windlass system runs on a 40A breaker.

We all work with what we have....but have you even considered getting the 12V motor replaced with (or rebuild with windings for...) a 24V system? Seriously that's big wire you're working with to make that draw. Your windlass must be close to the batteries?
__________________

__________________
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda

What we're doing - The sailing life aboard and the Schooner Chandlery.

redbopeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Saving Money Auzzee General Cruising Forum 13 10-19-2007 05:06 PM
MONEY kellsie General Cruising Forum 2 12-16-2005 03:08 PM

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:32 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0