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Old 04-22-2009, 12:43 PM   #15
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A similar unit to the cool blue, made in Australia and available around the southern hemisphere is Ozefridge:

http://www.ozefridge.com.au/

Comes with all of the parts, pre-gassed, easy to install. I put one in myself over the last couple of weekends and it's working like a treat.

The only thing I'd like is to have a timer so that the compressor doesn't come on at night (helps me sleep, also with the big solar panels I have there is more abundant power during the day). I'll have a chat to the manufacturer and see what can be done.
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It is not the beer for me but the ouzo. Needs ice cubes ... Also I like cold water & chilled white wine.
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A similar unit to the cool blue, made in Australia and available around the southern hemisphere is Ozefridge:

http://www.ozefridge.com.au/

Comes with all of the parts, pre-gassed, easy to install. I put one in myself over the last couple of weekends and it's working like a treat.

The only thing I'd like is to have a timer so that the compressor doesn't come on at night (helps me sleep, also with the big solar panels I have there is more abundant power during the day). I'll have a chat to the manufacturer and see what can be done.
Those are some nice looking units there at Ozefridge...very clean packaging!

Technautics is just down the street from me here in Irvine. The owner is a retired Ford Aerospace engineer...great guy, good product that works well. Ours has been working trouble free for past 5 years.
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Old 05-28-2009, 10:11 AM   #18
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Hello,

we bought a yacht over from the Med last year and are living on her at the moment - without refrigeration. There is only one thought I can say -DON'T DO IT. The amount of food you waste, the repetitive cooking from tins as you passage, the ice melting in the esky and ruining good food (even in plastic containers). None of it is really fun.

There are so many nifty little kits to set up in a boat. The isotherm kits fit well into just cool boxes, there are electric esky's you can get if you are not aboard all the time that could be used as a seat. A bit of imagination and a few feet in the bilge and you can have a simple but effective ice box/fridge system.

So my advice would be - please for sanity sake - get some sort of cooling system for your food and drinks. regards Gail
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Old 05-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #19
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Refrigeration - Yes / No? Water maker - Yes / No? Hot water - Yes / No? and all the other parts and sections of a sailing boat. Whether you choose Yes or No depends soley upon your life styles and objectives for cruising. If you are a wilderness camper/hiker then doing without is fine. Also if you have a small boat - 28ft or less - then you are prpbably not expecting to do serious long term world cruising/ exploring unless you are young, and a purist and also poor (without lots of money). On larger boats having access to "creature comforts" makes the difference between being comfortable in your "new home" or being happy in your "tent."

You need to evaluate logically and realistically if your shipmate and yourself are really "dependent" on the "appliances" and comforts you have in your land home. If so, weekends "camping out" on the boat are fun and not too distressful as you know you will be back home in your house in short order. If you are really used to have the "modern conveniences" at home, long term cruising on a boat without some basics like refrigeration, water, hot water, etc. is a recipe for early termination of the cruise and/or marriage/association.

That same equation also is a big factor in the size of the sailboat. The vast majority of successful and happy long term cruisers seem to opt for the 40 foot plus/minus 5 feet sized boats with the 42 foot boat seeming to most picked. This allows room or all these systems, power plants to operate them, and room for storage and entertaining visiting cruisers (a major positive part of the lifestyle) on board. On smaller boats there is neither room nor power easily available for modern "creature comforts."

So seriously evaluate the "comfort needs" of your mate and determine what your sailing objectives are before deciding which way to go. "One size does not fit all."
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Refrigeration is not the only thing you can strip off the boat. Remove the engine, transmission and drive shaft and you will add a lot of space; after all, Lynn and Larry Pardey do it. More space can be garnered by removing all that electronic stuff that sailors didn't have a hundred years ago but....................what fun would that be. If you want to live in the stoneage on your boat, try it at home first. Turn off the fridge, pull the plug on all modern conveniences and see how much fun you are having. If you like it, strip your boat and sail like our forefathers did.

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I may have an interesting perspective as we own two boats; One with and one without refrigeration. Personal thoughts are that ANY good reefer should start with a great ice box with drain... Simply put, you can have it either way! If the power isn't there, buy some ice...

As we are currently in the Caribbean, I am quite happy to open the fridge and grab a cold drink. We love being able to bring a doggy-bag home from the eatery in town and save it for a snack in the future. When our black dog gets too hot in the sun (yes, we provide shade he fails to use), it is nice to be able to put ice cubes in his water. The forementioned downside to all of this is the power consumption. We solved our power problems with two 120 watt solar panels and a wind-generator. Our small Adler-Barbour 12 vdc fridge that was added to our original icebox has been wonderful... To the point that we are considering the addition of a similar (more modern) system in our other boat.

Could we live without refrigeration? Certainly, but we prefer not to do so when possible. Our boats are 32 and 34 feet long though, and even at that length the compressor takes up space that could be used otherwise. So does the watermaker, but not much, and I was able to mount it where other items would not have gone.

Another option is the purchase of a portable unit. I have a friend who sails a Corsair 31 over to the Bahamas often who purchased a portable unit he swears by, though the brand name eludes me at the moment I will post it when it comes to mind.

Both viewpoints can be correct for different cruisers, but what I read here suggests that the "Admiral" wants a fridge... If the Admiral isn't happy, the boat can get might small!
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Never in my (modern) life could I imagine how can someone live without a refrigerator, especially if you are cruising the oceans for weeks. So I want to know from you, who are on the "no freezer/refridgerator" side: what do you eat when on the move? No vegetables or meat, only freshly caught fish, banana, rice, or what? What food do you have on board?
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Never in my (modern) life could I imagine how can someone live without a refrigerator, especially if you are cruising the oceans for weeks. So I want to know from you, who are on the "no freezer/refridgerator" side: what do you eat when on the move? No vegetables or meat, only freshly caught fish, banana, rice, or what? What food do you have on board?
When traveling, of course, the fresh veggies and meats go quickly. However, things that last longer than you think (un refrigerated) include tomatoes, peppers, onions, citrus fruits, apples, carrots, Romaine lettuce, fresh spinach, cabbage, aged cheeses, eggs, margarine, mayo, other condiments, well, a whole lot of things! Many things do better unrefrigerated.

Things we consume the first day (or early next morning) after grocery shopping include milk, cottage cheese, fresh chicken, beef, pork. Things that will last for a few days include fresh mixed greens (baby lettuce, etc) and vacuum packed meats though. Cured meats like bacon will last 10 days or so in a cool place. Summer sausages and pepperoni last for months unrefrigerated. Breads only make it a week or so. Bagels maybe 2 weeks.

We typically shop for fresh food 2x per week. If busy, 1x per week. If not, every other day. We've gone as long as 4 weeks w/o re-provisioning while coastal cruising. By the end of the 2nd week, we're out of meats--besides cured summer sausages/pepperoni and except for canned chicken, tuna, beef or fresh caught fish. Since we love eating salads, we're out of Romaine lettuce about that time too and have to start getting creative with canned beans and beets as well as cabbage, radishes, onions, and other crunchy things to make a salad.

We actually eat healthier than most people do who are living with a full refrigerator and freezer at home.

You might enjoy looking at the website of a young couple sailing in the Caribbean right now. If you do a google search with this info:

refrigeration site:windtraveler.blogspot.com

You'll find links to several posts they've made about their boat not having refrigeration including the following:

http://windtraveler.blogspot.com/201...s-that-do.html

http://windtraveler.blogspot.com/2011/05/fruit-man.html

http://windtraveler.blogspot.com/201...-cruising.html

You will also find the writings of numerous cruisers from the Pardeys, Annie Hill, the Smeetons, Hal Roth, well...pretty much anyone who cruised prior to the 1980's seems to have spent quite a bit of time cruising without ice in the icebox.

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Having a fridge is luxury - not a necessity , during a passage lasting 27 days nonstop from Kilifi Kenya to Langkawi Malaysia - Half filled the boat's cold boxes with block ice (around 4ft x 9" x 4" -- 1.2m x 23cm x 10cm)

And for cans of beer and bottle of wine, 2 x 18 litre canvas Flax water bags- which you fill 3/4 full with the cans and bottles - and top up with water - hang them in the wind - the water seeps through the canvas walls and evaporates cooling the contents.

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Having a fridge is luxury - not a necessity , during a passage lasting 27 days nonstop from Kilifi Kenya to Langkawi Malaysia -**Half filled the boat's cold boxes with block ice (around 4ft x 9" x 4" -- 1.2m x 23cm x 10cm)

And for cans of beer and bottle of wine, 2 x 18 litre canvas Flax water bags- which you fill 3/4 full with the cans and bottles - and top up with water - hang them in the wind - the water seeps through the canvas walls and evaporates cooling the contents.

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Good idea and much more effective than I first thought!

We used MMNETSEAS way to cool all our things on our first Atlantic crossings back in 1993/94. We had a little box on the side deck, in the wind, but away from the sun, where we kept all the goods that did not like temperatures of 25°C or more. We wrapped everything into thin cloth and kept it wet. This way we got the temperatures down to 15 to 20°C, depending on the humitity of the surrounding air and to some items it made a difference melting away or not.

As there are shops and stores close to most marinas, we do it the same way like redbopeep .And a friend came up with a great idea: Hiding a brick of milk below the pizza in the deep freeze at the supermarket when working down the shopping list. The next morning, when buying the rolls for breakfast, he bought the milk and put it into the ships ice box and on the day sailing it kept everything else cold.

But as a nice cold beer makes an ancorage in the tropics even nicer, we pretty soon had an ice box and bought big humps of ice every few days. And now we have a cheap little peltier-ice box (of the portable type you plug into the car's 12V system for long trips to keep the coke and sandwiches cold) that fits into a self built and well insulated box, to hold the cold even longer. *This little box needs only 2,5A (30W) and is always running as soon as the sun is shining on one solar panel of same capacity. That makes a really cold beer in the evening and some other things that need to be cooled find their place in this box too.*

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I like the idea about the milk--cute. We also have used evaporative cooling as you describe successfully. Before we moved aboard, we owned a little 120VAC countertop icemaker--we used it in the boatyard where we rebuilt our boat for 2 years. It came to the boat with us when we moved aboard but we seldom use it. However, when we spent an unexpected month in the Sacramento Delta last August, at one point we did pull it out and make a lot of ice for a get-together with other boaters. However, we know from experience in the hot boatyard that it doesn't work well at temperatures over 95F or so. When it up and dies on us (which surely it will since it was an inexpensive little thing) we will not replace it. We own a tiny 12V cooler for the car and we've not used it on the boat--only for driving trips. We do own a vertical igloo cooler (small about 12"x12"x20" tall) that we place milk, meats, and salad greens (other than romaine) in for very short term.

I would imagine that most cruisers on a boat over 40 ft will have room and budget for refrigeration (or icebox) of some sort. When you get into a smaller boat, I don't know if the space taken by such a system is worthwhile. Even a well insulated icebox takes quite a bit of space.

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