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Old 02-28-2011, 06:30 AM   #15
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"Fished-out areas along the coast of Somalia created the pirates." But nobody is asking why Somalia's neighbors aren't ridden with pirates as well.
That's the excuse.

In reality there is a huge upwelling in the area producing enormous volumes of nutrients for fish to live off. There are fish in the area, both stationary and migratory stocks. Obviously, the stationary stocks take more punishment than migratory stocks when fishing is concentrated on one small area but, despite this, you will find much fish in the area, from groupers to Indian oil sardines and from squid to tuna.

Piracy did start by actions directed against fishing vessels but this was probably because they were perceived as easy targets and were fishing close to shore. After all, in the begining the pirates had no craft to get far out to sea with.

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Old 03-01-2011, 09:48 AM   #17
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Old 03-06-2011, 06:15 AM   #18
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For mine, the answer is force. Plain and simple. As a former naval officer I see the problem as an escalation due to large payouts and nil reaction. If you make the punishment arbitrary and deadly many will fade away. As in any conflict there will be collateral damage. This is both regrettable and unavoidable, but ultimately the results will come. The bodies such as the UN will put up a hue and cry. Where is there action is this thus far. The oceans are for everyone, pleasure and commercial. If this was on land demands would be made that action be taken swiftly. Yet because it is on water it is placed in the too hard basket. I am sorry if I offend but I am seriously sick of hearing how it is too hard to police. Most ships are equipped with Helo's carry electronic devices for surveillance and weaponry for combat. 6 months of heavy surveillance and checks and most of the pirates will be found. Those that do not comply, should be destroyed. Those that do, detained and searched. You will quickly drain the will of these criminals when the risk of detection is almost 100%. Couple this with ground forces under the auspices of UN can maintain watch on the ports and harbours.

Suddenly you gained control. The ships are there already burning fuel and costing money. The expense issue is already being expended in a token gesture of presence. it will only take one country to have the intestinal fortitude to make a real stand and every other country in situ will follow suit for fear of being singled out as not pulling there weight.

Sorry it was long winded but I believe it needs to be said.

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Obviously, the „problem“ is not yet big enough. An over all econimical damage is still comparably small, politicians and the media react or commend on a new act of piracy for a day or two and then loose the topic out of sight... until the next incident happens. And they only react, when own ships or crew of the own nationality is affected. I can't see any determination and integrity on the politician's side. Even worse: They are not amused about the 20 Somalis sitting here in court at the moment... at the end they cost tax payer's money!
I found this very interesting...I'm sure it could get the attention of politicians.

Islamic Group to Fight Piracy

Frontline Ltd., a shipping company that sends five to 10 tankers of crude a month through the Gulf of Aden, said it was negotiating a change of shipping routes with some of its customers, including oil companies Exxon Mobil, Shell, BP, and Chevron.

Martin Jensen, Frontline's acting chief executive, said navigating around South Africa instead would extend the trips by 40 percent.
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:48 PM   #21
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The simple answer ... Guerrilla Warfare ... The coalition forces do nothing once a vessel has been taken for fear of injuring or killing hostages. Dont allow for it to go that far. Put heavily armed units onto innocent looking boats including yachts, small coastal traders etc and patrol the areas in those .. when attacked by pirates, wipe them out. Wont take long for the message to get across that its not profitable to continue being pirates. The pirates wont know which boats are easy targets and which arnt and piracy there will end. A lot cheaper and more efficient than the useless presence thats there now from the protection forced...

I mean automatic weapons, light machine guns, grenades, flame throwers, things like LAWS rockets, portable devastating fire power. Small trained units hitting back once attacked would soon break the pirates stranglehold of those waters.

Just my opinion ... I believe that pirates should receive no quarter.
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Q ships, every ship that is big enough to have space to ship men, to have a marine or SBS or other naval weapons squad onboard with heavy weapons, .50 and 40mm belt fed weapons and planty of GPMGs. Sufficient men on watch to deal with the detected pirates without waking the off watch guys, as it's only around 7 min from horizon to beside the boat with a speedboat like the pirates use.

Any boat approaching with a weapon visible onboard to be sunk immediately, no ifs, no buts, any weapon = sunk.

Once they are cloase enough to be within weapons range but no weapons are seen onboard, hail it and order it to stand to to be boarded, wake up the off watch guys and send them over while the on watch ones keep the boat covered, any attempt to run away = sunk. If the boarding party finds weapons hidden, throw them overboard, sink the boat and let them swim back to shore, if they can.

Meanwhile regular sweeps by armed helicopter gunships, again if any weapons are spotted, the boat is sunk immediately. If no weapons spotted, the gunship keeps it covered and a troop helo is called to lower troops on board, if any hidden weapons are found, sink it.

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Agreed. When I first got out of the Army and wondering what I was going to do with myself, I seriously considered getting some of my lads from the regiment to come along and hire ourselves out as a marine contingent. The only real problem would have been getting and transporting enough hardware to repell boarders. Fabrique National probably doesn't deliver, I should think. My plan was to design a very recognisable ensign and fly it while we operate. Maybe distribute some fliers describing that it means an armed contingent. Pirates are basically pretty cowardly - they are not looking for a fight. Offer them one and they will go looking for easier prey (ie. not my client). I still think it would be a good idea if I could work out the hardware issues...
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:23 AM   #24
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Hi folks

As an English newbie, I am probably very naive. So much for Somalia - everything from 'We should not be there' to 'blow them out of the water. Surely the only answer is to deprive pirates of their targets. The damage to national economies and huge companies would be such that action would have to be taken.

Next question - if we do all go round Africa, how far do we stand off the coasts of West Africa. Have you read the reports of piracy in the gulf of Guinea. Where on earth can we go?
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I like the blocade idea. If we are going to patrol these waters and spend 4,000,000 Euro per yr per frigate we might as well solve this problem once and for all. Don't tell me it can't be done. The North blocaded the entire Southern coast during the American civil war. It can be done. We need to channel any legitimate fishermen through choke points to inspect their vessels to prove their legitimacy. We should make a deal with the holders of all current hostages. Once westerners are out and ransom is paid let the bombing begin. Drone attacks on a few of the kingpins houses will help to return the ransom. If not cordon off the Pirate strongholds and destroy every building bigger than an outhouse. We need an act of war on these slimy murderous bastards. Place all enemy combatants in p.o.w. camps and hold them till all piracy has ceased. When it is all over confiscate all plunder and sell property to defray costs of operation
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Thank you JeanneP for pointing out what has seemed pretty obvious to me: If a yacht has made it as far as the middle of the IO, it should be sufficiently well-found a vessel to go via the Cape of Good Hope. A cruiser with the goal of circumnavigation should have boat and crew up to the task of sailing involved.

If one doesn't wish to get into those waters of the Cape and S.A., there are still many, many years and many, many miles of sailing that can be had worldwide without ever dealing with getting past Africa

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I can't seem to sail out of Micronesia. Still so much to see and the diving is excellent. I'm starting to head back east for another circuit. Dealing with pirates can wait. That's my solution.
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I can't seem to sail out of Micronesia. Still so much to see and the diving is excellent. I'm starting to head back east for another circuit. Dealing with pirates can wait. That's my solution.
Good for you

How long have you been sailing Micronesia now? What constitutes the "circuit"? Perhaps that is obvious to others, but not to me. Thanks!
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How long have you been sailing Micronesia now? What constitutes the "circuit"? Perhaps that is obvious to others, but not to me. Thanks!
Sailing and wandering Micronesia for 15 years. Will be heading east from Palau staying near the equator then to the Marshals, Guam, Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands as far north as Maug and then backdown to Yap and Palau. Have no idea how long this will take.
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