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Old 07-23-2009, 07:36 PM   #1
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The <A HREF=http://www.cruiserlog.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ireland>Ireland</A> page on the World Cruising and Sailing Wiki (free, online, world cruising guide) needs you to add/edit/contribute the information that you can to assist all the other cruisers around the world that are following in your wake. Help to build a great cruising resource - sharing information in the true cruiser's spirit.

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Since the Irish Cruising Club and both sailing directories refer to Ireland, I think it would be wrong to now partition the Island into two for cruising.

We have had enough trouble with partition over the last100 years, so lets not start it all over again here.

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Just think of it as two cruising "regions" on the Cruising Wiki. It will be easier to work with the two "different" sections as a single section would be too large with too many pages and structure links. There are strong Cruising Wiki page links between the two "sections" as it is.

Northern Ireland is catalogued under United Kingdom in the Wiki - for customs, immigration, etc., (this must be borne in mind within the overall structure within the Wiki).
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That's fine, but cruises in general are around Ireland. They are not two cruising regions.

It is a cruising ground of its own, not encompassing Great Britain.

Hence the sailing directions by ICC

East and North Coasts of Ireland Sailing Directions (no mention of Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland)

Customs etc. are EU, first port of entry.

Have a master page Ireland, linked to Northern and Southern pages,

but remember the most northern point of Ireland is in Southern Ireland (also know as the republic)
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Think of the Med (& many other regions around the world) - although it is covered in various cruising guides as "Cruising the Med", etc., the Wiki is structured differently (by country). Likewise, "Cruising East Africa" is a cruising region in the Indian Ocean but the Wiki structure breaks it down into all the different countries. The Caribbean, Windward Islands, Leeward Islands, etc., etc.

I understand what you are suggesting but, the Wiki's structure should remain as it is I think.

Go with it?
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I am trying to get some structure to the Ireland page.

Having a long list of Ports etc, which is getting longer, does not read well.

As an experiment I have sub listed into cruising areas.

It might be better to have a sub page for each area, so Kenmare River would link to it's own page with the Ports listed there instead of on the front page.

The front page won't look great when 100 or so ports are listed.
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... the Wiki is structured differently (by country).
Ireland is a country i.e. Ireland , with one common cruising club !!

The Caribbean section seems to have been grouped under a general page
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something like that. Something like that would do .......



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http://www.cruiserlog.com/wiki/index.php?t...r_and_Derrynane
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I don't know Ireland so let me have a look on Google Earth to see what it is that you are suggesting. Back in a mo!
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My suggestion would be as follows:

Make a table with headings "Port A to Port B", "Port C to Port D", etc. (maybe 5 columns or so - such as the "Greece" page)

List the ports in sequence under the headings (use the existing port pages [copy/paste the page links] & add the extras as needed).

Start in the N.E. corner of Ireland (Southern) and work right round the (Southern) Ireland page and then onto the Northern Ireland page with the same process round to the N.E. end of Northern Ireland.

Make sense?
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Yes now done, but very difficult to edit.

It will be even more difficult for anyone else to add to - impossible I would say.

Not the way to go if you want input from others, too difficult. They will just give up.

Also there are some bugs in the class=wikitable , which I have done a workaround on.

Tables are always messy, don't like them, especially when you have different people editing.

I use div in all my other coding.

Having a page for each section is cleaner, and much easier to edit. So will revert when I have time.
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My suggestion would be as follows:

..... (maybe 5 columns or so - such as the "Greece" page) ....
I am sure that you will agree that the Greece tables look messy with all the data being centralised in line with the longest column i.e. each column does not start on the top line

If you added this extra code in red, your problem is solved:-

|valign="top"| [[Kavala]] (Port of Entry)

Which leads me onto my next question,

what attributes can you add between the two || (pipes), as I have done above.

I present I work by trial and error, which is painfully slow.

I have edited this page so you can see the result:-

http://www.cruiserlog.com/wiki/index.php?t....2C_and_Islands
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I am sure that you will agree that the Greece tables look messy with all the data being centralised in line with the longest column i.e. each column does not start on the top line

If you added this extra code in red, your problem is solved:-

|valign="top"| [[Kavala]] (Port of Entry)

Good!

Which leads me onto my next question,

what attributes can you add between the two || (pipes), as I have done above.

I present I work by trial and error, which is painfully slow.

Not too much because very little html is allowed (mostly use wiki code). Try some things in the Wiki's "Sandbox". The templates that are available from the "Templates" pages are basic and can be changed to suit (don't change them on the templates page but after copying them from there). I will be away from the PC for most of the day today.



I have edited this page so you can see the result:-

http://www.cruiserlog.com/wiki/index.php?t....2C_and_Islands

Yes, good!

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Hi Robin. Have a look at the table that I set up in the Sandbox. I think that this might be better for you to work off and certainly easier for other users to edit. If OK, copy/paste the whole thing.
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Have now revised the Ireland page, incorporating the
tag, as used in the Sandbox.

It will still be difficult for others, but makes my editing much easier.

You will find that the <style=xxx > tab is very useful, see on revised Ireland code.

Have also noticed that the display is slightly different Firefox v MSIE,

I design in Firefox normally !!
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