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Old 05-08-2007, 07:02 PM   #15
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Have no radio. Long way from home (though I know people who can test for a US ham licence if you have a US mailing address, which apparently all us non-Americans need), but I might get a HF transceiver anyway.

This is what I am thinking of doing.

Buy an Icom IC-718 -- cheap and well recommended. Good sound, even if I want to listen to music and news.

Install and string up a very simple receive antenna. Use it as a receiver for the foreseeable future.

If I get the urge to talk to someone on a band, I can get a licence and put up an appropriate dipole antenna for very cheap.

Then just follow my interests. If I want a good, fixed transmit antenna or to send email or whatever I can add as I want.

But for the first while, I would only receive.
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Have no radio. Long way from home (though I know people who can test for a US ham licence if you have a US mailing address, which apparently all us non-Americans need), but I might get a HF transceiver anyway.

This is what I am thinking of doing.

Buy an Icom IC-718 -- cheap and well recommended. Good sound, even if I want to listen to music and news.

Install and string up a very simple receive antenna. Use it as a receiver for the foreseeable future.

If I get the urge to talk to someone on a band, I can get a licence and put up an appropriate dipole antenna for very cheap.

Then just follow my interests. If I want a good, fixed transmit antenna or to send email or whatever I can add as I want.

But for the first while, I would only receive.
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Hi, Quiver,

The Icom 718 is a good choice (500 <>600 $US) and as you say "even if .... for music and news" .

However, if you only want to listen to music and news at this time (and I presume you want to listen to far off AM (broadcast stations), you will still need to consider installing a few extras to achieve reasonable reception :-

1) An antenna that will resonate to the frequencies which provide good music and news.

Therefore because there is almost no difference between a good receiving antenna and a

simple transmitting antenna - start off with a simple dipole cut to a correct length for your

boat, (Don't use your back stay unless it already has insulators)

2) You will need a tuner to tune the antenna for the Icom 718 - The AF 4 at around $300 US or

the more complex AT 180 at around $400 are the standard tuners for this model Icom

(without a tuner you will receive only the very strongest stations)

3) An external speaker to match the Icom's output (the Icom's built in speaker is too small for

good sound)

Good Listening
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Old 05-16-2007, 04:07 AM   #17
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Thanks for that, Richard.

Seems I know far less than I thought I did.

I don't want to only listen to music and news. I want to listen to and receive everything -- music, nets, news, we-fax, whatever -- so I would get something opened wide.

And it's possible that in the future I will only want to listen. I don't see talking into a radio as something I am likely to want to do on a regular basis. I know cruisers with ssbs who never turn them on, but I'd probably like the company. And who knows, the IC-718 costs no more than a decent receiver, and maybe I will want to add my two cents.

However, I certainly wasn't aware that I would need a tuner to receive with the IC-718. In fact, even to transmit, I thought I could get by with a vertical dipole cut to the band I wished to transmit on, and not need a tuner. Not sure I understand. My old Sony works without a tuner, but perhaps receiving with a ham is a different kettle of fish.

See I have a lot to learn.

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You are quite correct about cutting an antenna to the band that you wished to transmit on (without a tuner) - however, that antenna would only be good for that band's frequency - not much use for anything else.

A vertical dipole as such is also not much good .

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Depending on your boat (steel hull ideal) a Shakespeare Vertical Antenna see http://www.shakespeare-marine.com/ look at the Shakespeare Style 393 Antenna

This antenna coupled with the correct tuner and a 718 radio would you to allow receive and transmit on all the bands,

and to receive on all the AM (broadcast bands that carry music and news )

Also you would be able to receive and send email, using a pactor modem and the above combination of components.

Where are you located ? Send PM

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"MMNETSEA" is busy adding a lot of very interesting and useful information about onboard radio on the CruiserLog WIKI - follow the links from the "Communications at Sea" section. Call back often as it is a "work in progress" and additional info is being added regularly.

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Does anybody have insight into the ICOM PCR2500 PC Controlled Receiver?
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Does anybody have insight into the ICOM PCR2500 PC Controlled Receiver?
Hi Ken,

Good receiver - bit expensive ! But can buy for around 630 $ US for factory recon. guaranteed. Check outfit called HamAv Electronics.

Also a forum discussing this model :-

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcr2500/

The speakers are too small to give really sound. However, connecting to PC's audio system via USB then on to a good amplifier would be an answer.

Depending what HF Marine transceiver you have on board, most have access to AM frequencies reception of which you can also route to a good amplifier.

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Here is what I'm really looking at buying right now...the Icom M802. What I need to know is what are all the addition systems and cables that I need to buy. I just installed my new back stay antenna, so I know I need the AT140 automatic tuner...what cable do I need between the M802 and the tuner.

Also, what software and cables will I need to get weather fax and send email from my laptop connected to the M802?

I'm presently working on cabling my two stainless steel water tanks together as couterpoise
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Ah...just found this great bit of information online that answers all my above questions and then some!

http://www.marineelectronicsjournal.com/ho...i?article_id=81
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Ah...just found this great bit of information online that answers all my above questions and then some!

http://www.marineelectronicsjournal.com/ho...i?article_id=81
The Icom M802 is a complex piece of gear - it requires an external tuner . There are issues when it comes to email via this radio :- "The front panel also contains a button for e-mail. The equipment is sold as “e-mail ready.” Several sailors spotted the twin computer DB9 jacks on the black box front and were all set to plug in for e-mail capabilities when they discovered something was missing—the SCS PTC II PACTOR data controller. The ICOM M802 does not offer e-mail capabilities by simply plugging in your computer. ICOM dealers will offer the SCS PTC II data controller for either regular speed or high-speed access, so plan on an additional $1,000 investment in addition to your supplied laptop computer." (this comment from marineelectronicsjournal )

An excellent Icom is the 737 , relatively simple to use - has a built in tuner - Check this review :-

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1026?eh...bbe4d278dd41b83

The Kenwoods with built-in tuners worth looking at are the TS 480SAT (excellent for cruising)

and the larger TS 2000 series .

The cable from the backstay to the tuner is a well Rubber and PVC insulated tinned copper stranded wire :-

S.W.G. Wire Number A.W.G. or B&S A.W.G. Metric

0.2120 Inches # 5 0.1819 inches 4,621mm

NB. If the tuner is built-in to the radio follow installation instructions.

When connecting the tanks use W - I - D - E strips of copper

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That is the information that I was looking for! I heard someone mention something about the M802 not being exactly Email ready as you p[ointed out, but nobody mentioned that it needed an addition $1000 worth of hardware.

Thanks Richard!!!!

Also,

What additional equipment is needed with the TS480SAT in order to get weather fax and send email?
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That is the information that I was looking for! I heard someone mention something about the M802 not being exactly Email ready as you p[ointed out, but nobody mentioned that it needed an addition $1000 worth of hardware.

Thanks Richard!!!!

Also,

What additional equipment is needed with the TS480SAT in order to get weather fax and send email?
As far as Weatherfax is concerned - many cruisers obtain weather using grib files by email instead :- have a look at , http://www.franksingleton.clara.net/grib.html

I will send rest of your question to The expert on the subject by email - he normally doesn't take long for an answer, depending how he returns I will probably forward his response to you by email .

Richard

PS :- http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/0480.html
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As far as Weatherfax is concerned - many cruisers obtain weather using grib files by email instead :- have a look at , http://www.franksingleton.clara.net/grib.html

I will send rest of your question to The expert on the subject by email - he normally doesn't take long for an answer, depending how he returns I will probably forward his response to you by email .

Richard

PS :- http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/0480.html
Hi Ken,

My Expert (who is in Sydney - Australia) gave me the following Contacts for Pactor installation and Sailmail (also Winlink for HAMs) in your neck of the woods :-

Alameda CA, HF Radio Onboard +1 510 814 8888 Don Melcher <info@hfradio.com>



Sausalito CA, Farallon Electronics +1 415 331 1924 Eric Steinberg <pactor@yachtwire.com>

Sausalito CA, Maritime Electronics +1 415 332 5086 Brian Backer <brian@maritimeelectronics.com>

Santa Cruz CA, Maritime Electronics +1 800-582-1333 Terence M. Boland <MESCUSA@att.net>

Dana Point Harbor CA, RadioDana Maritime +1 949 275-5514 Paul Robert <radiodana@bellsouth.net>

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Mukilteo WA ,Windward Communications +1 425 353 6520 Chip Adams <windward@wpfae.org>

Anacortes WA, Anacortes Marine Electronics +1 360 293 6100 Bryan Hennessy <info@anacortesmarine.com>

Seattle WA, Offshore Store, +1 206 632 3025 Brian Rickard sales@offshorestore.com

Seattle WA, Radio University, +1 206 384 1201 James Willis sales@radiouniversity.org

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Also I will send a pdf file which shows the schematic for connecting a Kenwood TS 480SAT to a pactor - But I will need your email address via PM .

The Pactor info is to be found in this website :- http://www.scs-ptc.com/

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