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Old 01-15-2010, 08:01 PM   #15
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Kirk, that's a smaaaaalllll washer! But, I must say--a good deal! Ours is an Edgestar cW1210V (http://edgestar.com/products/washerdryer/index.htm) front loading Washer which is also a Vented Dryer. We usually hang our clothes to dry on lines inside the boat's main saloon and galley. We rarely hang anything outside to dry. Walking thru the boat is often like walking thru a forest of clothing, though.

Having a washer aboard --whether it is a bucket and wringer or a real washer is really a necessity, I think. Laundry service is costly and time consuming.
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We just haven't owned boats big enough for a washing machine - as I get older, I want one even more, but I don't want a bigger boat, so we lug stuff to a laundromat. However, since we have to stop for fuel every few days when we're moving, we fill up with water, too, and every day while we're moving I do small hand washes to hang on the stern rails while we're moving. Can't hang them anywhere else because moving at 12 knots or so, we're creating too much wind to hang anything on the side rails.

But I don't understand, Brenda, why you don't hang anything outside - my assumption is the smog where you are? Clothes hung on lifelines that the wind can tumble for you leaves sweet-smelling and very soft clothes. Towels, too, don't feel so scratchy. Since I buy very cheap towels so they're thin and will dry faster, softness is a product of their flapping in the breeze (or tumbling in a dryer, another thing we're never going to have on a boat).

Go to South America or SE Asia and find a laundry lady to do your laundry. It's cheap. The lady I found in Ecuador ironed everything as well. There we had no choice - hand wash was out of the question because getting water was so difficult, and there were no laundromats where we were. Elsewhere in S. America we used laundry services or laundromats if water was a problem, hand wash otherwise.
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I don't want to stray too far off topic, but... our washing machine can easily handle a pair of sheets & pillow cases or six shirts & three pairs of shorts in a single load. It measures approx 18 x 18 x 31 inches and fits almost any place a marine toilet is located. We've enjoyed the convenience of our little washing machine for the past 18 months, in two oceans, and we're quite satisfied. Our friends mounted one out in the cockpit of their catamaran and simply place the drain hose in their scupper. Too easy!

$200... small inverter... eight gallons per large wash load... and no surgery required to wiggle it into place on almost any boat. We've even used our's while underway in calm conditions a number of times.

I reckon it beats all alternatives of doing laundry while out gallivanting about the world in a boat... short of having a Balinese Maid!

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I agree Kirk, it's a no-brainer with such a good deal as your machine is. Our system is a little bigger: 1.7 cf drum, uses between 6 and 11 gallons depending up selection of wash cycles, and measures 33 1/2” tall by 23 5/8” wide by 21 2/3” front-to-back. Wash capacity is 12.1 lbs but I've found a way to overload it with success

JeanneP--if we were anchoring in more secluded locations, I'd hang my laundry out with no reservation. We're anchoring in highly populated So. Cal. When we're sitting 500 feet from a lovely golf course and within the view of the 5 star hotels...I just think it's sort of trashy to hang the laundry out if I don't have to. With a few portholes and hatches open we have a wonderful breeze which dries everything nicely. And...we do have a dryer for a reason...

We all make choices which are different--some folks love their refrigeration and water maker--we have neither...we love our washer/dryer.

P.S. We turned what had been a storage closet into our washer closet. We gave up having a second head to make room for storage elsewhere and the washer closet where it is now. There is always something that one "gives up" to have something else.
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I agree Kirk, it's a no-brainer with such a good deal as your machine is. Our system is a little bigger: 1.7 cf drum, uses between 6 and 11 gallons depending up selection of wash cycles, and measures 33 1/2” tall by 23 5/8” wide by 21 2/3” front-to-back. Wash capacity is 12.1 lbs but I've found a way to overload it with success

JeanneP--if we were anchoring in more secluded locations, I'd hang my laundry out with no reservation. We're anchoring in highly populated So. Cal. When we're sitting 500 feet from a lovely golf course and within the view of the 5 star hotels...I just think it's sort of trashy to hang the laundry out if I don't have to. With a few portholes and hatches open we have a wonderful breeze which dries everything nicely. And...we do have a dryer for a reason...

We all make choices which are different--some folks love their refrigeration and water maker--we have neither...we love our washer/dryer.

P.S. We turned what had been a storage closet into our washer closet. We gave up having a second head to make room for storage elsewhere and the washer closet where it is now. There is always something that one "gives up" to have something else.
And, you need a second head, because.......? To us, it sounds perfect for a laundry room......

I love hanging my stuff off the life lines.....used to live in La Jolla, for years, and I learned to play golf at Torrey (scratch +3.7).....my parents's home right on the water......couldn't care less what other people think as long as you don't look like a chinese laundromat.....you, apparently, could not even imagine what people think of when they look at our boats.....the jealousy, the longing, is amazing.....it truly is..... They wish they were you...most do....but most people in this country have no clue..... Point is, as long as you are not derelict.....who cares what people think..... Be proud of who and what you are..... Cruisers....someone who lives what most only dream!
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Different people, different cultures, different tolerances. No judgment, just observations (except for the hats).

In Tonga one could not do any work on the Sunday, including washing your clothes. Yachties didn't dare hang out their laundry on the lifelines on the Sundays.

A few other social customs that I wish were observed some places of the US (such as removing one's hat. I was really surprised, a bit appalled, to see some men out West sitting in a restaurant wearing their great big cowboy hat. It never came off their head! I wonder if they slept in it. )

Removing one's shoes before entering a home in Tonga, or Malaysia, for example (even one pharmacy required that we remove our shoes before entering).

The marina in Brisbane was connected to a condo building, and one couldn't hang one's laundry from the lifelines, ever. Difficult because when we were there they didn't have laundromats, so drying clothes was a bit of a nuisance.

And on. And on.
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Back sorta on topic...

Do you know at all what the output looks like? If you have any access to a sillyscope, it would be interesting to see what the output looks like. Perhaps your machines are reacting badly to ugly wave forms.
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Back on topic, I first got a small 800 watt pro sine from west marine and found that it would not run a small microwave. I returned it and got a used Heart Interface 1800 inverter charger. I have had it in service for 10 years with no problems. I leave it on 24/7 for lights. It runs an 8 amp vacuum, but that equates to more than 80 amps at 12 V so I use it sparingly usually with the engine running. I have not run into any devices that did not like the "modified sine" waveform
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We bought an inverter from Magnum and had *excellent* customer service from them. It turned out that the newest generation of that type of inverter had a wonky chip in it causing it to function incorrectly. It took them two cross-border fast shipments to rectify the problem but we had a direct line to the person working on it (there are few things more frustrating in that situation than having to call a 1 800 # and speak to a different person each time) and everything was replaced/shipped with no cost to us.
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"I'm so impressed that Kirk's 800W inverter can handle his washer!" Actually this is not so surprising when you study power usage. Mechanical work is much cheaper than it seems, heating and cooling is very much more expensive. To get some idea think about this: all of the "work" done in a washing machine is mechanical. All those loses come from friction. All loses from friction are equivalent to heating. So now compare: washing your clothes so hard that the water goes up one degree compared to heating the water one degree: both use the same amount of energy.
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I think your invertor is fine. The problem I think is the input wiring. You state that it is "just a cigaret jack plug". Chances are that the plug is wired as a 15 amp circuit that may even be shared with additional items. Probably with 14 awg wire or worse. A 400 watt invertor will draw about 33 amps! I think it is choking because of input and not because of the output. I would bet that if you gave the invertor its own circuit with a minimum of 10 awg or larger wire it would not have a problem. As well, a laptop will use less 12 volt power if you use either the manufacturers dc adaptor or a generic 12 volt adaptor.
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"I'm so impressed that Kirk's 800W inverter can handle his washer!" Actually this is not so surprising when you study power usage. Mechanical work is much cheaper than it seems, heating and cooling is very much more expensive. To get some idea think about this: all of the "work" done in a washing machine is mechanical. All those loses come from friction. All loses from friction are equivalent to heating. So now compare: washing your clothes so hard that the water goes up one degree compared to heating the water one degree: both use the same amount of energy.
It's the heavy loading (inductive) upon startup that I would expect an 800W inverter couldn't handle. Not the ongoing loading.
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I think your invertor is fine. The problem I think is the input wiring. You state that it is "just a cigaret jack plug". Chances are that the plug is wired as a 15 amp circuit that may even be shared with additional items. Probably with 14 awg wire or worse. A 400 watt invertor will draw about 33 amps! I think it is choking because of input and not because of the output. I would bet that if you gave the invertor its own circuit with a minimum of 10 awg or larger wire it would not have a problem. As well, a laptop will use less 12 volt power if you use either the manufacturers dc adaptor or a generic 12 volt adaptor.
I'll do as you recommend, see what happens and get back... I just bought a new black and decker 400w inverter but will first rewire the acting up 400w west brand inverter direct to the batteries...

Hopefully that will indeed solve the problem and I can return the new black and decker one.
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Well, I use a Xantrex cigarette socket type inverter input 12v 8 amp, output rated at 60w continuous, 75w for 5 min to run my laptop - no problems whatsoever - best bit is it only cost me Β£15 or approx $20 US
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