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Old 01-31-2014, 11:50 PM   #1
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Hi Guys n Gals

I'm wondering what Cat you might recommend.
As per the thread title I'm thinking about a Cat to go off sailing in.
Budget in the region of £100k and maybe a further £25k for upgrades.
I'm thinking around the 40ft mark, my thoughts are that it won't be too large to handle on my own when I need to, but offers a lot of living/storage space.

Would the first consideration be the hull material and rudder set up?
Two things I'm wondering about…..coral heads v a plastic boat.
Seems having a boat that I could run up close to a beach might be a big deal so what boats will sit upright on it's keels and rudders ?

Any suggestions, thought, links. ?

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A 40' cat will eat a lot of Whiskers.
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A 40' cat will eat a lot of Whiskers.
There is always one :-)
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Take a peek at posts by 'boatsmith'. He's building some nice, budget priced cats. Not sure where you are, but he's in the Philippines.
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Would the first consideration be the hull material and rudder set up?
Two things I'm wondering about…..coral heads v a plastic boat.
Seems having a boat that I could run up close to a beach might be a big deal so what boats will sit upright on it's keels and rudders ?

Any suggestions, thought, links. ?

Thanks
There are a lot of bilge keeled monohulls that will do this. Case in point is the shallow draft version of the Hartley ferros. Cheap, plentiful and tough yachts that you can run up onto a beach for cleaning. The Hartley Tasman I have heels over about 20 degrees when grounded.
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I think you have the right idea about size and ease of handling. Our cat is 36 feet and in 15 years of cruising we never thought we wanted any bigger. Boats are made for sailing on water not reef.
Kick up/lift up rudders are good for easy maintenance/repairs, I think dagger boards give better performance than mini keels and allow less draft. I rarely beach the boat as it is easy to clean hulls while snorkeling, I can reach the bottom of the hulls with the snorkel above the water.
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Take a peek at posts by 'boatsmith'. He's building some nice, budget priced cats. Not sure where you are, but he's in the Philippines.
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Thanks for the replies so far.
I have looked at the Boatmith thread, interesting.

So Gone Troppo, not much call to beach the boat then, fair point.
What is your opinion of Plastic v Ali or even Ferro.

I am loving the look of the 38ft Lagoons and they are just within reach but plastic hull, hmmm.
Am I worrying too much ? I guess I am, but running south from the UK down the coast of Portugal once I watched the corner of a submerged 40ft container whizz by one evening all of 3ft from the boat. Tends to stick in the mind.
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I do not have any preference for what a boat is made of, as long as it is made well, and to the design. Of course some designers are better than others.
Maybe if it is made of a material that you know and can repair would be better.
In about 70,000 miles we have hit a few big hard things that have stopped the boat. Only damage was dirty under wear. Do you drive a big truck or Volvo and always worry about hitting something?

Catamarans need to be light for them to act as catamarans, heavy cats do not perform and are less comfortable at sea, even scary.
Imagine two mono's, remove the masts, connect them with some beams to make a raft, build some super structure, then put one of the masts back on. You now have a vessel that is more than twice the weight, with much more windage and only half the sail area to power it. You can stick on all the go fast racing stripes and rake the mast way back, but it still won't perform. Unfortunately there a lot of really heavy cats that have given cats a bad name for years.
You say you want to go blue water sailing, I am not sure what your idea of blue water sailing is. If you want to cross oceans, it would be a good idea to get a boat that was designed and built for that purpose. If you want to coastal cruise the Med, then just about any cat would do.
You might want to find a Multihull club near you and talk to them, or even go for a sail with them. This might give you a better idea about what cats meet your compromises.
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I do not have any preference for what a boat is made of, as long as it is made well, and to the design. Of course some designers are better than others.
Maybe if it is made of a material that you know and can repair would be better.
In about 70,000 miles we have hit a few big hard things that have stopped the boat. Only damage was dirty under wear. Do you drive a big truck or Volvo and always worry about hitting something?

Catamarans need to be light for them to act as catamarans, heavy cats do not perform and are less comfortable at sea, even scary.
Imagine two mono's, remove the masts, connect them with some beams to make a raft, build some super structure, then put one of the masts back on. You now have a vessel that is more than twice the weight, with much more windage and only half the sail area to power it. You can stick on all the go fast racing stripes and rake the mast way back, but it still won't perform. Unfortunately there a lot of really heavy cats that have given cats a bad name for years.
You say you want to go blue water sailing, I am not sure what your idea of blue water sailing is. If you want to cross oceans, it would be a good idea to get a boat that was designed and built for that purpose. If you want to coastal cruise the Med, then just about any cat would do.
You might want to find a Multihull club near you and talk to them, or even go for a sail with them. This might give you a better idea about what cats meet your compromises.
Happy hunting.
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My cruising would probably be a mix of things. Yes I will probably start out in the Med but that won't hold me for too long so I will probably need to make some pretty large passages.
I am going to rent a Lagoon in perhaps Turkey or Greece this spring to have a play and see what I think. I did do a bit of sailing in a custom one of around 40ft in the Winward Islands when I was a lad but, as with all things to do with my memory it needs constant re-testing as I seem to recall I was up to Olympic standard :-)
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Apart from strip or plywood just about every cat the size you are looking at will be GRP. As Troppo said they would be too heavy otherwise. GRP is light and very strong which is why the vast majority of boats, of all kinds, are built from it. It shouldn't be a deal breaker otherwise you will restrict your choice a lot. If you are in the UK, south coast, I suggest you visit Multihull World at Emsworth. They are very helpful and always have a good slection of boats at the marina that you can have a good look over. Good luck and a catamaran is a good choice
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That a boat is made from GRP does not mean it is a lightweight. Building methods and engineering design are what makes the difference. GRP is the production builder's choice because it lends itself to modern moldings, is strong, flexible and, when matched to a strong skeletal matrix, can be lightweight. Older boats which are often sold as being 'overbuilt', or which boast 1'' of GRP thickness, can be impossibly heavy, brittle and may wallow dangerously even in moderate seas. A good surveyor should be able to give you invaluable advice when you are assessing cats which have caught your interest.
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Thats a good link thanks Steve, I may visit them soon.
The trouble with their site is that it sorts from high pice to low price.
That leaves me depressed by the time I get to my price point :-)

I think I'm over the Ali thing now Aussie
I have seen one or two and thought, ah I'd do that if I were buying.
A great thought until you actually start looking and find out what they cost !!
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Auzzee,

I quite agree about overweight GRP boats but I meant more as a general term that GRP is a lightweight material compared to steel and ali and is very suitable for building catamarans. I think a catamaran has to be at least 50' long to be made from aluminium!
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