Go Back   Cruiser Log World Cruising & Sailing Forums > Cruising Forums > General Cruising Forum
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login

Join Cruiser Log Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-23-2005, 11:39 AM   #21
Ensign
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3
Default

I come down strongly on the side of sailing armed. For those who are uncomforable with firearms in the states, don't take one. It's a matter of personal philosophy.

Now, if one does decide to sail armed, there are very different considerations at work in choosing your weapons than back in the USA. In many countries, "military calibers" are forbidden. That is, 9mm, .45mm, 5.56mm, 7.62NATO etc. In general, shotguns are looked on more favorably than other weapons. Revolvers raise fewer eyebrows at clearing customs than auto pistols. Another approach is to buy an inexpensive military surplus bolt action rifle in an obsolete caliber, and call it your "shark rifle." A British .303 Enfield would be ideal.

If you are being shadowed/stalked by a suspicious vessel in a threatening way, the presence of your rifle at binocular range may mean the would-be pirates will look elsewhere for easier pickings. Not even pirates want to risk a rifle shot wound at sea.
__________________

__________________
Steelcutter48 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2005, 01:16 AM   #22
Ensign
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 1
Default

In regard to what type of rifle to carry, I suggest something high-power, such as the 7.62NATO, 30-06, etc. In the event of pirates attacking your ship, I would think one's best bet would be to try to disable their ship. My Springfield Armory SAR8 is accurate to around 800 yards, scoped. The 7.62NATO round it fires can pierce engine blocks. At around 1/3 nautical mile, you could shoot up their boat enough to discourage them, or even sink or disable them.

My thinking is that once a pirate vessel gets close, they will probably out-man and out-gun their intended victim.
__________________

__________________
fulano is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2005, 01:31 AM   #23
Moderator
 
JeanneP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,098
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by name='Converted Post'
At around 1/3 nautical mile, you could shoot up their boat enough to discourage them, or even sink or disable them.

My thinking is that once a pirate vessel gets close, they will probably out-man and out-gun their intended victim.
And at 1/3 mile, how do you know that the boat approaching you is manned by pirates intending to do you wrong?
__________________
In 1986 we went cruising for a few years. After 20 years and 50+ countries and several oceans, we are STILL "cruising for a few years".

SY WATERMELON |
MV WATERMELON (New) | Cruiser's Dictionary, free ebook

= Cruiser's Dictionary, North America,
JeanneP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 01:26 AM   #24
Ensign
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3
Default

I realize this is a very serious subject and should be treated with sobriety. I however could not help myself when reading J's last comment. I hope my input clears up the question of how one spots a pirate at a quarter mile. I mean everyone knows you look for the Jolly Roger Forgive Me
__________________
midshipman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 02:04 AM   #25
Moderator
 
JeanneP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,098
Default

Forgiven
__________________
In 1986 we went cruising for a few years. After 20 years and 50+ countries and several oceans, we are STILL "cruising for a few years".

SY WATERMELON |
MV WATERMELON (New) | Cruiser's Dictionary, free ebook

= Cruiser's Dictionary, North America,
JeanneP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2005, 08:24 PM   #26
adrift
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Here's another one. Though don't expect a story, he didn't live to tell it.

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doin...4-06-29-2/view
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2005, 08:35 AM   #27
adrift
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

What do you think of this incident? On March 8th, two yachts travelling together off the coast of Yemen were fired at into the cockpits. One of them managed to return fire, which probably saved their lives. There is a full, first person account at Noonsite.com

As more and more pirates carry and use guns, more cruisers will too. Right or wrong I think that's the way it'll go. Shame.

We're more likely to be shot at living in a city but the difference is that on the sea your more isolated from help.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2005, 11:55 PM   #28
benscottrobinson
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

I know I'm joining this a bit late, but...

I have a question.

Reading the reports, it appears the main reason that you would need a gun would be to 'repel borders' in a piracy situation.

Now reading these piracy reports again, it seems that to have a gun, even a powerful assault rifle, would at best put you on even terms with some pretty desperate people, would probably have more guns, and (in my case certainly) a greater desire to hurt someone.

Indeed the most successful defense of a yacht was through ramming their aggressors - despite shots being fired.

As a boat tends not to be bullet proof, and working on the principle that a sure-fire way to get someone to fire on you is to fire on them first, wouldn't any such situation effectively be tantamount to forfeiting your boat?

From a pure common sense angle, it seems that unless you can escalate a situation beyond their capabilities, you are only ever trying to bluff them - a dangerous game when one bullet below the waterline could leave you swimming.

To me, I think a far better deterent/way to protect yourself/make sure the baddies don't come close would be some form of rocket launcher. Even if you aim to miss, I doubt they would carry on in the face of something that is clearly a massive risk to their boat/lives...?

I know this is a tad controversial, but I would value people's opinion on this.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2005, 07:53 AM   #29
Ensign
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 27
Default

I don't know whether it was a Lee Enfield, but the late Sir Peter Blake challenged his assailants with a bolt action rifle and was shot dead for his trouble. His crew members, one of whom received a shot in the back, lived to tell the tale.

They will tell you, to a man, that had he not brandished that weapon

pride would have been deeply injured, and a few Omega Seamaster watches lost (they went anyway), this famous yachtsman, irreplaceable world citizen, husband, and father would be alive today.
__________________
Baggywrinkle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-02-2005, 02:07 PM   #30
Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69
Send a message via MSN to Chetan
Default

was just wondering why the general trend is that offense seems to be the best form of defense?

there is an understandable lack of enthusiasm at the thought of someone boarding a vessel that is not theirs and helping themselves to anything at all - even if it is something as insignificant as a shackle or some line. but its only logical not stake life or limb in the process of trying to protect "pride".

i actually wonder about some action of a more disuasive nature - perhaps a smoke screen that may be deployed, perhaps a water-jet / cannon... knowing the resourcefulness and inventiveness of the cruising community i am sure there are more alternative than the polar opposites we seem to be considering here - passive resistance or kill em all, and let god sort 'em out.
__________________
Chetan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2005, 11:12 AM   #31
Ensign
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 27
Default

Or a water pistol - they might die laughing.

Many years ago we were boarded by Indonesian militia in the Riau group. They were armed with rifles so rusty, I'm sure firing them would have blown the firers head off. As it turned out, we managed to exit that one a a cost of a few cartons of fags, a couple of bottles of scotch, and bruised egos.

Unfortunately weaponry is now plentiful and comparatively cheap. A person setting himself up in piracy is likely to be have sophisticated autmatic weapons. More to the point, he is likely to be adept and practised at handling these weapons.

By any military measure the firepower required to see off one or more persons thus armed is going to be beyond the scope of most yachts crews who, being by definition "amateur" are not likely to be as well trained or militarily co-ordinated.

Of course there are yachtsmen who have the necessary skills and confidence but they will be the exception. If someone thus equipped can be bothered with all the pallaver of 'cloaking' their weapons at every port of call, with the endless paperwork entailed, then jolly good luck to them. I am an ex-military person with active service behind me and, quite frankly I am firmly in the UN-armed camp.
__________________

__________________
Baggywrinkle is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
med


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boarding And Armed Robbery In Costa Rica Lighthouse General Cruising Forum 0 10-19-2010 05:44 PM
Armed at sea??? wolfgang General Cruising Forum 18 01-23-2007 01:36 PM

Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

RV & Travel Trailer Communities

Our RV & Travel Trailer sites encompasses virtually all types of Recreational Vehicles, from brand-specific to general RV communities.

» More about our RV Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
×