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redbopeep 06-29-2012 09:34 PM

How to Bypass the Gulf of Aden
 
Where there's a will, there is a way. Cruisers are incredibly resourceful. This forum is provided for the discussion of ways to avoid the piracy in and around the Gulf of Aden, the entrance to the Red Sea, and realistic alternatives to the passage through Gulf of Aden that cruising boats have taken from the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea.

The World Cruising Wiki presently includes Cruising Guides with pages on
The Red Sea
The Indian Ocean
The Gulf of Aden
Piracy and Cruising Yachts

We can create a new page with information about the Gulf of Aden Bypass as well. Please contribute information here that you would like to see on the wiki. We will post a wiki link here shortly.

Fair winds,

Trim50 06-30-2012 01:07 AM

An alternative to GOA and Red Sea Passage
 
Brenda,

Thank you for putting this together. Hopefully we can bring together a range of alternatives combined with stories from cruisers who have given this alternative passage a go.

For me, the search for an alternate route to the Mediterranean started with the tragic piracy of the American vessel S/V Quest and the Danish vessel S/V ING. The hijacking of these two vessels within months of each other and especially the killing of fellow Americans that we met during our travels drove home the reality of the dangers associated with the rampant piracy in the region. Unfortunately, we were already half way across the Pacific when these events took place. Having our dream of sailing through the Red Sea and the Suez vanish in the middle of our journey felt like someone stealing our ropes while we were climbing Mount Everest.

Obviously there are many alternatives to the Red Sea passage, however none of them get us to the prize associated with the dream of sailing our own vessel in the Mediterranean and visiting Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Morocco and many others. For many of us cruisers who arm-chaired our dream for many years from our offices following the travels of sailors like S/V Bumfuzzle and S/V Billabong, reaching the Med is a critical element in realizing the dream.

For many cruisers, we have worked hard to arrive in places like Australia, New Zealand and Langkawi only to be faced with the big question of “What now?” Do we sell our boat? Do we just forget the Med and sail around South Africa and onto Brazil? Or even worse, sail the Pacific Rim all the way back home! Or, do we find alternative methods of getting to the Med?

Many of our fellow cruisers are shipping their boats from Singapore to Turkey via Dockwise. This is a great alternative if you can afford it. Upon last checking, the quote for shipping our 45ft boat was just over $30,000US. Yesterday I even had a shipping quote from Dubai to Malta for $65,000US. I was quick to let that guy know he was firmly in left field.

Last week I discovered a trail blazing cruiser on S/V Chinook

https://www.chinookofcanada1.blogspot...1_archive.html

Noonsite: An Alternative to GOA and the Red Sea: Desert Sailing

who trucked his boat from Aqaba, Jordan to Dubai heading in the opposite direction of most of us Pacific Puddle Jumpers. His account of the desert passage via truck was uplifting to say the least! The obvious question was, “Can we get our boat trucked from Dubai to Aqaba?” And if we can, can it be done for a reasonable amount like it was for Chinook at $11,000US?

So, here we are…sitting in Australia trying to plan our future route and looking for alternatives. I've been collecting "Massive" amounts of information and will begin depositing it here as I get it to share with anyone else facing the same dilemma. Hopefully others will do the same!

Trim50 06-30-2012 01:32 AM

The following is from Nigel Grayston at Straight Line Cargo out of Dubai regarding trucking from Dubai to Aqaba, Jordan.

https://straightlinecw6e.tempwebpage.com/

==================================================

We actually specialise in moving boats of any kind. However, movements by truck have both customs and physical restrictions so there are some limits. In short, a full customs deposit of 5% of value has to be placed with UAE customs and reclaimed after departure from the GCC. Physically – there is an absolute height restriction of 5.5m and this of course includes yacht, cradle and low loader. There are no special trucks in the region for boat transportation and the low loaders available are usually 0.8-0.9m high. By all means send us the enquiry and we’ll do our best to come back to you with a workable rate.

Nigel Grayston
Straight Line Cargo Services LLC
As Agents only
P.O. Box 27312, Dubai, UAE.Exclusive agents for :SLC International Yacht Transportation Ltd., BVIThe leading yacht transportation specialist in the Middle East.
(+9714) 339-3206
(+9714) 339-3207
(+97150) 6443010

redbopeep 06-30-2012 03:17 AM

Ken, I'm so glad that you've found some good information about trucking from Dubai to Jordan.

When looking at the maps of the area, I immediately wonder about taking boats through to the Red Sea from Dubai rather than bypassing it entirely. I know that many cruisers dread that upwind sail through the Red Sea--yes, but I also know from friends who are divers that the diving in the Red Sea is amazing and not to be missed if possible. This is not a frivolous thought on my part but rather I'd hate to give up the opportunity to see the Red Sea as well. Example, Distance from Dubai to Jeddah is about 1900 km.

What thoughts?

--Brenda

PS
I've visited the UAE for two very hot and sultry summer weeks. I visited Oman at the time as well. David was in and out of the area on an aircraft carrier during the "first" Gulf War so often had some time in the UAE. David enjoyed diving off Oman and did a course for night diving there as I recall.

Silver Raven 06-30-2012 03:53 AM

Why not ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Trim50 (Post 34206)
Brenda,

Thank you for putting this together. Hopefully we can bring together a range of alternatives combined with stories from cruisers who have given this alternative passage a go.

For me, the search for an alternate route to the Mediterranean started with the tragic piracy of the American vessel S/V Quest and the Danish vessel S/V ING. The hijacking of these two vessels within months of each other and especially the killing of fellow Americans that we met during our travels drove home the reality of the dangers associated with the rampant piracy in the region. Unfortunately, we were already half way across the Pacific when these events took place. Having our dream of sailing through the Red Sea and the Suez vanish in the middle of our journey felt like someone stealing our ropes while we were climbing Mount Everest.

Obviously there are many alternatives to the Red Sea passage, however none of them get us to the prize associated with the dream of sailing our own vessel in the Mediterranean and visiting Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Morocco and many others. For many of us cruisers who arm-chaired our dream for many years from our offices following the travels of sailors like S/V Bumfuzzle and S/V Billabong, reaching the Med is a critical element in realizing the dream.

For many cruisers, we have worked hard to arrive in places like Australia, New Zealand and Langkawi only to be faced with the big question of “What now?” Do we sell our boat? Do we just forget the Med and sail around South Africa and onto Brazil? Or even worse, sail the Pacific Rim all the way back home! Or, do we find alternative methods of getting to the Med?

Many of our fellow cruisers are shipping their boats from Singapore to Turkey via Dockwise. This is a great alternative if you can afford it. Upon last checking, the quote for shipping our 45ft boat was just over $30,000US. Yesterday I even had a shipping quote from Dubai to Malta for $65,000US. I was quick to let that guy know he was firmly in left field.

Last week I discovered a trail blazing cruiser on S/V Chinook

The Wanderings of Chinook of Canada: RECENT UPDATES; present position & latest doings...: August 2011

Noonsite: An Alternative to GOA and the Red Sea: Desert Sailing

who trucked his boat from Aqaba, Jordan to Dubai heading in the opposite direction of most of us Pacific Puddle Jumpers. His account of the desert passage via truck was uplifting to say the least! The obvious question was, “Can we get our boat trucked from Dubai to Aqaba?” And if we can, can it be done for a reasonable amount like it was for Chinook at $11,000US?

So, here we are…sitting in Australia trying to plan our future route and looking for alternatives. I've been collecting "Massive" amounts of information and will begin depositing it here as I get it to share with anyone else facing the same dilemma. Hopefully others will do the same!

Gooday U-2 - Ken - in your info about 'pirate attacks' there seemed to be a greater number of 'flotilla's or convoys' c/w naval escorts giong across that area - I'm sure I read about at least 6 naval escorted offers being made. Couldn't you hook up with those ships & tag-along with them for an escorted trip - in safety - or do yachts - not travel fast enough to do that - I do wonder about getting a tow but that's a tad risky - me thinks.

By the by - a BIG THANKS for that site "Office of Naval Intelligence Weekly' - what a great fund of info - seems to be much more security available these days. Thanks again & ciao, james Good luck & safe travels, eh ! ! !

Trim50 06-30-2012 07:49 AM

This is the guy who gave the Dubai to Malta Quote for $65k...:o

Frédéric DauweCigisped Middle EastYacht transport and logistics "as agent only"t: (00971) 4 380 6045f: (00971) 4 380 6926m: (00971) 509155783m: (0033) 644021913

Trim50 06-30-2012 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Raven (Post 34209)
Gooday U-2 - Ken - in your info about 'pirate attacks' there seemed to be a greater number of 'flotilla's or convoys' c/w naval escorts giong across that area - I'm sure I read about at least 6 naval escorted offers being made. Couldn't you hook up with those ships & tag-along with them for an escorted trip - in safety - or do yachts - not travel fast enough to do that - I do wonder about getting a tow but that's a tad risky - me thinks.

By the by - a BIG THANKS for that site "Office of Naval Intelligence Weekly' - what a great fund of info - seems to be much more security available these days. Thanks again & ciao, james Good luck & safe travels, eh ! ! !


The word from the naval coalition managing the pirates of GOS and Red Sea is that private sailing vess

Trim50 06-30-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Raven (Post 34209)
Gooday U-2 - Ken - in your info about 'pirate attacks' there seemed to be a greater number of 'flotilla's or convoys' c/w naval escorts giong across that area - I'm sure I read about at least 6 naval escorted offers being made. Couldn't you hook up with those ships & tag-along with them for an escorted trip - in safety - or do yachts - not travel fast enough to do that - I do wonder about getting a tow but that's a tad risky - me thinks.

By the by - a BIG THANKS for that site "Office of Naval Intelligence Weekly' - what a great fund of info - seems to be much more security available these days. Thanks again & ciao, james Good luck & safe travels, eh ! ! !

The word from the naval coalition managing the pirates of GOA and Red Sea is that private sailing vessels are warned not to attempt passage and that assistance in case of an emergency is not likely to arrive. Sailing vessels are too slow and freeboard too low to secure against piracy.

However, private armed guards are available for hire and pirates are known to retreat 100% of the time when fired upon...especially when rounds come near their outboards.

Trim50 06-30-2012 09:07 AM

Brenda,

Given the chance and cost of trucking, to get 90% of the way versus 50% of the way up the Red Sea no matter the diving, I'll take 90%.

Besides, most of the great diving is at the North end of the Red Sea..especially the Blue Hole.

haiqu 06-30-2012 01:06 PM

I'll be going from the Malacca Straits directly across to Africa, round the horn and then up the west coast and across to Brazil. The Med isn't even on the agenda at this stage.

Would love to see India but with those lunatics up near Somalia I'll be keeping well away.

Rob

redbopeep 06-30-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trim50 (Post 34210)
This is the guy who gave the Dubai to Malta Quote for $65k...

I wonder if this is just because it's going into Malta? I've heard other things being crazy costly via Malta....hummm...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trim50 (Post 34213)
Given the chance and cost of trucking, to get 90% of the way versus 50% of the way up the Red Sea no matter the diving, I'll take 90%.

Besides, most of the great diving is at the North end of the Red Sea..especially the Blue Hole.

Would you retrace into the Red Sea to get to some of the diving spots on the North end? It seems that would be a worthwhile thing for you to do since diving is one of your hobbies and not everyone gets to make it to the Red Sea for sailing and diving...

Trim50 07-01-2012 06:11 AM

The Dubai UAE to Aqaba Jordan Option
 
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1200 Nautical Miles across Saudi Arabian desert.

Trim50 07-01-2012 06:25 AM

The Blue Hole
 
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Only 56 nautical moles from Aqaba, Jordan.

2 Sail R's 07-02-2012 10:17 AM

After calculating our height, cabin top to bottom of keel, our Nauticat 44 is sadly more than 5.5 meters high. So, it looks like sailing the desert is not in our future. We will keep looking for alternatives since we neither want to sail up the Red Sea or around South Africa.

I suppose one alternative would be to turn around and go east or ship the boat in that direction through Panama Canal, then sail across to the Med. Has anyone done any research on eastbound shipping and costs?

HandyBilly 07-02-2012 01:51 PM

To the med? or just across Pacific?

I bet its better to ship westward once you are close. The SV BeBe reported in 2011 was $650/ft with SevenStar Yacht Transport. People spend that much to have a boat shipped from Hawaii to Panama or to Mexico and still have to beat upwind out of Panama to get anywhere. I remember to add cost to Puerto Rico was extra 8 grand for 46 ft boat 4 years ago.

Trim50 07-02-2012 11:17 PM

Roz,

I have been speaking to a friend that works in Dubai area in the energy business and he does massive quantities of trucking of large pieces of hardware. Take a look at some of the parts that are trucked across the desert and tell me what you think.

MA

I believe you are giving up on the option too easy. Dubai isn't the only port to consider nor is Starightline the only service. I plan to dig much deeper...because if my boat can be trucked from Austin Texas to LA, it certainly can be trucked across a desert where they are highly experienced at moving oversized loads.

Trim50 07-03-2012 02:09 AM

Also, keep in mind that Starightline was not the trucking company that moved S/V Chinook. The trucking company in Jordan was Nebresco Odeh Naber & Sons Transport Co. (Nabresco)

I have been communicating with Nigel at Straightline via email quite a bit. I attempted many times to talk with him by phone, but nobody answered or I was told he was busy lifting boats onto ships. Although NIgel is obviously very knowledgeable about the shipping industry, I sense that shipping is more his bailiwick than trucking. I requested a trucking quote from Dubai to Aqaba, Jordan assuming Trim meets all the height and length limitations. As of yet, I have not received a quote.

Even so, I invited Nigel to visit our forum to discuss in as verbose a manner as possible to educate us on the various pitfalls of the boat moving business in this region. Hopefully he will take the time from his busy schedule and join us.

redbopeep 07-03-2012 02:36 AM

Economics
 
I also have seen some pretty huge equipment trucked. It is possible and certainly worth looking into. A caution is that the costs are much higher for an oversize load typically.

With our major rebuild of our boat we had three short overland moves; One from water to 1st yard (distance of about 5 miles), then after 8 months move to 2nd boat yard (8 miles away), then move back to the water (distance of 8 miles) for relaunch. The owner of the 2nd yard was a boat moving company that happened to move (overland) a lot of really huge boats and long racing boat masts (182 ft is their record). We learned a lot from that second yard owner about boat moving and big moves. Since we were there 1.5 years, I became familiar with their bidding and cost structures (hey, I'm an MBA and it interests me) from talking a lot with the owners.

The bottom line is that yacht moving is "value priced" meaning that small boats can be moved cheaply because there are many vendors; Midsized boats are still cheaper than big ones because there are more trucks which can be modified easily to move them; Big boats have very few vendors to choose from so they pay the most. The actual cost to the boat mover for their time and equipment varies only a little bit between a typical 38' boat and a typical 55' boat but yet the quote for the 38' boat (for moving a long distance) is significantly less than the larger boat (say, 1/2 the price). This is not a cost+profit type job in most countries. IT is purely value pricing so what you see is that the same move can be $1200 for a 30' boat, $3.2K for a 37' boat, $12K for a 45' boat, and $40K for a 60' boat.

Having options is important. In addition to complexity of the move, the mover sizes your options up and picks his price to present to you. Given this, you need choices. Your actually having multiple choices of what to do is paramount in getting a good price from any vendor. Even if you're not thinking about shipping the boat or really wouldn't consider having a delivery crew take it around Africa for you, or hiring an experienced skipper/crew to assist you on a sail around Africa, the actual prices of these options should be well researched so you know what you need to work with when you're negotiating your "value" price with that boat mover.

Even though it seems contrary to consider going East--getting that pricing is important as a data point for an overland trip across Saudi.

In the USA, rail lines don't allow for widths over 13.5' I do note that the (few) freight rail lines in Saudi seem to be single track so wider widths MAY be possible or even likely. That is worth looking into as well with the railroads which carry from UAE through Saudi and Jordan.

Learned from the boat mover we know: Things which the mover can do to exceed road height restrictions include taking down power lines or driving off road for a short section. Boat and big equipment movers are very clever about these things and can make amazing things happen IF THEY WANT THE JOB. They can move on weekends and middle of night to take up the entire roadway rather than just one/two lanes.

If you have masts which are much longer than your boat, you may find that you, like us, will have to have two moves (if short distance) or you might have to pay to move a larger boat/item which is the actual length of your masts.

Our situation was short-move and we actually had a spar repair/mfr company move the mast which they did with a pickup truck and low cost (very easy to fabricate) expanding trailer. If anyone here ends up with problems because of needing two trips (one for boat and one for mast(s)), contact me and I can try to get info about that mast trailer (which can be pulled behind a regular truck) to you for fabrication for your move.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for all in finding good work-arounds including sailing a different-than-planned passage, using overland or on-water shipping.

Best to all,
Brenda

Silver Raven 07-03-2012 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trim50 (Post 34243)
Also, keep in mind that Starightline was not the trucking company that moved S/V Chinook. The trucking company in Jordan was Nebresco Odeh Naber & Sons Transport Co. (Nabresco)

I have been communicating with Nigel at Straightline via email quite a bit. I attempted many times to talk with him by phone, but nobody answered or I was told he was busy lifting boats onto ships. Although NIgel is obviously very knowledgeable about the shipping industry, I sense that shipping is more his bailiwick than trucking. I requested a trucking quote from Dubai to Aqaba, Jordan assuming Trim meets all the height and length limitations. As of yet, I have not received a quote.

Even so, I invited Nigel to visit our forum to discuss in as verbose a manner as possible to educate us on the various pitfalls of the boat moving business in this region. Hopefully he will take the time from his busy schedule and join us.

Gooday U-2 - oh & others. dLet us - think outside the square - for just a moment.

What's it cost to -

Keep Trim on the hard in Bundy ???

Fly to the Med & return for 2 plus gear ??? or buy new gear over there ??

Lease or Rent a boat in the Med for 2 months - or however long ??

Alternatively do a reciprical 2, 3, 4 month - swap boats incl insurances ??? You over there & them over here ???

Is the total of all that less than the cost of moving the boat - out of the water - across land :eek: YIEKS boats belong in the water NOT :o on trailers going across land. NOT safe - me thinks ! ! !

Better you two making that decission than me - I wish you Gawd-speed with you small problem ! ! ciao, james :rolleyes:

redbopeep 07-03-2012 10:50 PM

James-- it's a good point that you make, think outside the box, yes. For someone intent upon seeing different parts of the world, flying in and out makes lots of sense. Traveling via sailboat as cruisers do isn't exactly the most time-efficient nor cost-efficient way of doing it always.

However, many cruisers want to travel with their own boats world-wide. Thus, they'll have to find some acceptable means of making their way to the Med eventually. Be it going East the "long way" or South around Africa or overland...;)

Fair winds,


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