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Old 03-06-2007, 02:12 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Nausikaa View Post
Sound financial advice, but consider the implications of the European Small Craft Directive when buying a boat outside the EU



Steven, why not explain what the European Small Craft Directive is so I don't have to look it up.


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Old 03-06-2007, 05:06 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Robinsvoyage View Post
Steven, why not explain what the European Small Craft Directive is so I don't have to look it up.

Wow! Big task but just give me a day or two and I will do that



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Old 03-16-2007, 02:08 PM   #17
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JeanneP said:

If we were younger and still sailing, I think that I would lobby for a catamaran. I do not believe that a multihull is a good boat for older, less experienced sailors, but I don't have enough experience with them to state this with any authority.
I was hoping the opposite was true. I thought that a catamaran would be easier because of it's stability. I also thought it would be an easier sell to that lady in the picture. I'm sure in the next couple of years we will be able to try both and make a decision as to what we want to do. We've never sailed... I'm looking forward to taking the courses and starting to travel.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:22 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by Magor' post='5169' date='Feb 28 2007, 08:02 PM'
I'm posting this topic on behalf of a friend of mine who is in the market for a new boat. His budget is in the region of £150K or thereabouts.The primary goal is to buy a boat that meets the following criteria : ---Capable of undertaking a safe, comfortable circumnavigation for 4 - 5 crew.Length anywhere from 40 to 50+ feetHis current exposure to different boats is pretty limited so some key questions arise. I've shared my experiences and preferences with him but it always helps to solicit other peoples advice! You could probably buy a newish mass production 45ft+ yacht like a Jeanneau, Bavaria, Dufour etc, quite comfortably for this kind of money. But do they make good ocean going yachts? A lot of them seem to have pretty light displacments and rely on the newer designed fin keels (fine for light cruising but perhaps a tad uncomfortable and less stable on offshore passages?)Being based in the UK, it is hard to avoid the reputation of the Oyster Yachts. Even a 1990 vintage 485 or 55 will set you back £200K but do you "get what you pay for"?Would he be better to dig deep and buy (1) a very well equipped but much older yacht like an Oyster, Hylas, etc (2) go for the middle ground and get a well configured cruiser like the Island Packet 45 or (3) buy a cheaper mass production yacht and spend some money on it.All thoughts, feedback and discussion would be appreciated.
Hi auzzie! When you said big Islnd Packet" I perked up. I completely rebuilt a Island Packet 44 (1994) which was sunk and dismasted by hurricane charlie at the former owners house dock in Punta Gorda Florida>.In 2 years work I made it look like new and made a few bucks doing it.This was possible because iP s have a "cult " following!While trhere are many good features in Island Packets,they are far from being a seagoing machine when they come from the factory---needing such basics as fiddles on the tables-grab rails everywhereand the "dorades arent really dorades as they cannot be shut off from being flood points when you get knocked down--ditto the lazeratte hatches which are also designed to be "air vents"!!!!!Reagards, George
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Everyone has a different idea of what works. We opted for a big old full keel girl who doesn't mind the storms, heaves-to well, is a ketch so not so hard on us older folk, has gorgeous living space, and more wood than many enjoy. By the time we repaired and outfitted with the mod coms, we probably spent about what your friend has available and have fixed her up the way we want her. Would I have liked a new boat? Well, maybe. Would I have liked something already fixed up and ready to go? Obviously. Did I have the money to have everything I wanted? Nope. And, yes, I'd rather go to weather better than Sea Venture does, but in the long run, how much time cruising is spent beating? Some, surely, but are we in that much of a hurry? I think, when all is said and done, I'd rather have the stability and the ability to slide over crab pots and lines and sit up on bars instead of breaking a keel or a rudder. And I like being able to use the jib and jigger when the going gets rough. But, that's my preference.If I were your friend, I'd do what David says and try out different boats. See what makes him comfortable.Blessings,Normandie
Dear Normandie--gentlemen over 65 dont beat to weather (much!)
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:58 PM   #19
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gentlemen over 65 dont beat to weather (much!)
Dear George, neither do women closing in on 60! But the racer in me still likes the idea of being able to. There are always compromises--with age, we're compromising on the side of comfort.

For the catamaran seekers, a word from an ex-cat-skipper from Hawaii: my slip neighbor just told of carrying passengers on one of those big cats that take folks between the islands. On the trip home, a freak wave collided with his beam and turned them upside down. He was barely able to get all the passengers out before the trapped air was gone, and then everyone had to sit on the upturned cat for hours before rescue came. Several required a visit to the hospital. Our neighbor now takes passengers on his large monohull. At least it will come back upright if it ever goes belly up.
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:30 PM   #20
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SeaVenture, I am very curious about the flipping cat. When I first purchased Imagine I use to leave the sheets with barely an inch in the self-tailing winches. From everything I read before the purchase a flip is rare. Now that I have about 6,000 miles on Imagine I am very comfortable with her. Prudence is something I always practice while sailing.

Was this a cruising cat, or one of these stripped down day sailors? Where were all the people situated on the boat? What size cat was it? I am always trying to expand my knowledge, so any information you could share would be great. One last downfall with a cat. It takes a lot to get use to the bombs under the house. I would still not go back to a monohull unless I was going into the Southern Ocean. Even then it would depend on the cat.
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:07 AM   #21
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We did our circumnavigation in a 39 foot catamaran doing tradewind sailing most of the way around the world. Catamarans are good circumnavigators if you stay in the tradwinds. If you sail into the higher latitudes, then for me, a heavy displacement monohull would be preferable.

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