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Old 12-05-2009, 08:04 AM   #15
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This is the problem as i see it.

1. the powers have permission to go in and dont. must be a reason.

2. i keep hearing folks scream about going on down a making war on these people but i dont see them doing it. must be someone else's job.

3. the only response from the powers has been when those with sufficient money have been bothered; if you are not one of those then the message is pretty clear that us little cruisers dont count.

4. this is a known trouble spot with an alternative route; there is no need for anyone to run through this area.

5. if no one goes through this area; including cargo ships there is no way for these folks to take ships. why are we confronting them when we can simply starve them out?

6. if you have an armored and armed boat stay in international waters and they are yours for the taking. they have a 200 mile EEZ just like the rest of the world.

If the cruiser community wants something done. the only way i can see anything happening is for them to hire folks who will go under the gun or pay off one of the three local navies who will provide escort through the area. yes three navies can be bought as escorts but sit around and do nothing to stop the piracy. Again you kinda have to wonder about that. you can be outraged all you want but the lack of anything that looks like you matter to the powers the be; make your outrage moot. it looks like diplomacy will have to win the day and that takes time.
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Old 12-05-2009, 04:47 PM   #16
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I think the other way around. If they would have another way to make a living, they would not have ended up being pirates.

If you would carefully study the situation, you would be surprised at what extent they are prisoners of forces greater than them. Blaming africans for being exploited is a heavy misunderstanding of the situation.
Oh puhlease. Somolia has been without a functioning government for 18 years. LOTS of international agencies and governments have tried to help. What have they achieved? Dancing in the streets and dragging bodies around by the local populace.

I wonder at what point apologists for bad behavior stop blaming social ills, and just admit that sometimes people are just bad, and should be punished for what those people KNOW is bad behavior? If these pirates want to continue acting in completely unacceptable ways, let them do it within their own borders. Once you take to the high seas and victimize innocent yachtsmen and merchant shipping, you've crossed the line.

To believe that tolerating this behavior for a generation or two while the international community tries to resolve the region's internal problems is just, well, counterproductive. What this does is advocate giving them a free pass, because they have a tough life. Put your own family in one of those seized yachts, your parents and/or wife and children in the hands of these scumbags, and I'm betting your tolerant attitude changes VERY quickly. Pretty easy being tolerant from the cheap seats.

Even these poor, downtrodden individuals understand risk vs. reward. Bring enough force to bear - satellites, warships, patrol boats, etc. - so that more often than not, attacking international maritime traffic becomes an immediate death sentence, and they learn that the risk outweighs the rewards. End of problem.

By the way - yes, I've spent time in Africa, and know how difficult life can be there. I also know LOTS of Africans who choose not to turn to crime to survive.
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