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Old 08-15-2009, 08:21 PM   #1
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Hello all! I am currently planning a trip for a circumnavigation, going as far south as New Zealand and as far north as Southern NE Russia. I am currently looking at a few boats and would like to see what you guys and girls think of the options, the prices of all of these are quite similar so I am just looking for Ideas. This passage will be done with two people.

1979 C&C 36

1979 Ericson 35

1978 Bayfield 32

1973 Mariner 31

Any info or input will and would be great!

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Hi, Jon,

Welcome to Cruiserlog! First off, what are your sailing experiences? Also--what is it about these boats that you found attractive or potentially suitable for your own use? If budget/price happens to be the common factor, you might want to start again...What are your goals? If you tell us what is important to you, we can likely help you better figure out which boat/boats are more suited to your particular needs/wants.

There are many discussions here on CL about boat purchase, so you should peruse the forums and read, read, read, too

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Old 08-15-2009, 11:30 PM   #3
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Hey Jon,

The first thing you should do before buying any boat is to check a good sailboat calculator that will give you all the detail info and compare the different boats. You really need to know things like the capsize ratio, motion comfort level, displacement to LWL. Check the sailcalculatorpro to see what I mean. Capsize ratio and motion comfort level is very important when you are offshore.

One small boat that I like is the Allied Seawind II or the westsail 32 but it might not be big enough for what you want. Compare these boats to the ones you are looking at.
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Jon, welcome to Cruiser Log,

Both Redbopeep and Sailorman14 raise the right questions to ask yourself

If one looks at the designs of your listed boats, then one will stand out as having the best 'water line length' relative to its 'length over all' ; the former providing the answer to the boat's maximum speed under normal conditions.

1979 C&C 36 The cruiser/racer sloop has a LWL of 27' 8"

Its internal measurements also provide much more living space

30 year old boat

1979 Ericson 35 :- LWL 25' 10'

30 year old boat

1978 Bayfield 32 :- The Bowsprit giving it a classic outline - small inside, LWL 23'3"

31 year old boat

1973 Mariner 31 :- LWL 25' 6"

36 years old boat

The hull speeds are not much different to each other - what will be different and important is the area of sail that each can carry and also the type of keel which may determine the boat's ability to sail to windward.

This is the one that needs 1st and last look at :-

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Old 08-18-2009, 07:53 PM   #5
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So the 36 should be at the top of my list? how well will it do to weather (how bad will it pound because of the fin keel) and will I be limited on the storage space on the boat?

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All very good advice, Jon.

Listen to the input from these folks, lots of sea miles on this board....

My 2 cents....

Full keel.... slower but more stable, more stowage & more durable than a fin/bolt on keel.

Find something "younger"....

I repair boats and mid 70 hulls are heavy duty, however everything else has been stressed for 30 years.

It's a boat buyers market out here and the bucks you will have to spend, for guys like me, to bring a 70's boat to world cruising standards will be more than a newer boat....

Do the math, old boats may/can be a "budget buster..."

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Jon,

Hey--how about some info about yourself and your sailing background and wants/desires/needs? I asked this in my prior post.

While we can comment on how a particular boat will behave--google the owners' groups for each of the boats you are interested in. You'll find opinions about the boats from the perspective of the boat owners. Clearly they own these boats so they'll be a bit biased but even so--you'll get the real story on many topics.

Fred's point is true about getting "used" means "used" and depending on the age of the boat many systems may be ready to replaced or rebuilt. This is true for any boat that is not brand-spanking new, though.

In our case we looked at countless boats and found many limping along on systems that we had no idea how long they would last--and the owners were thinking all these systems were increasing the value of their vessel! So, at some point we realized that we should focus on boats that are either brand new, had been through a major overhaul in the last 5 years OR were so far gone that we would re-do the systems ourselves and be happy with our "custom" boat. In all cases, we were willing to pay the higher price of having new (or less than 5 year old) systems or putting them in new ourselves. That is not a cheap endeavor. Having a good rig, safe hull, working systems...all of it together very important.

We did note that many times one could find a boat that had been cruised heavily and thus had systems newer than the boat (e.g. 30-40 year old fiberglass boat with 10-15 year old systems) and often these were good deals, too. Each boat is unique and you'll have to review all systems as well as the hull and rig as you get into it.

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Thank you all for your responses! I have done more research and used the sail calculator. What I fell I have centered on is a yankee 30, one came up locally and it looks like a good investment. One thing that has come up is the tankage on the boat. now water is a thing that has been always on my mind when it comes to a cruiser, I have already gotten a 12v watermaker, but I dont want to rely on it in case of a an emergence(power stops on the boat). How much tankage should I have in a boat, the yankee is currently outrigger with 40 gal or water and 30 gal of fuel.

Any more input is great!

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Hey--how about some info about yourself and your sailing background and wants/desires/needs? I asked this in my prior post.

While we can comment on how a particular boat will behave--google the owners' groups for each of the boats you are interested in. You'll find opinions about the boats from the perspective of the boat owners. Clearly they own these boats so they'll be a bit biased but even so--you'll get the real story on many topics.

Fred's point is true about getting "used" means "used" and depending on the age of the boat many systems may be ready to replaced or rebuilt. This is true for any boat that is not brand-spanking new, though.

In our case we looked at countless boats and found many limping along on systems that we had no idea how long they would last--and the owners were thinking all these systems were increasing the value of their vessel! So, at some point we realized that we should focus on boats that are either brand new, had been through a major overhaul in the last 5 years OR were so far gone that we would re-do the systems ourselves and be happy with our "custom" boat. In all cases, we were willing to pay the higher price of having new (or less than 5 year old) systems or putting them in new ourselves. That is not a cheap endeavor. Having a good rig, safe hull, working systems...all of it together very important.

We did note that many times one could find a boat that had been cruised heavily and thus had systems newer than the boat (e.g. 30-40 year old fiberglass boat with 10-15 year old systems) and often these were good deals, too. Each boat is unique and you'll have to review all systems as well as the hull and rig as you get into it.

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Hi Jon,

If this is the boat of interest Click Yankee 30 In the specs no mention of tank sizes, 40 gallons not too bad. If you are going coastal cruising - you will need dinghy and water jugs (cans).

Only comment , the gasoline engine may need replacing with a small diesel. Other than that from a scan of the photos it looks in fair shape for a 37 year old boat.

The site of the Yankee 30's Owners Association HERE

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Hello all! I am currently planning a trip for a circumnavigation, going as far south as New Zealand and as far north as Southern NE Russia. I am currently looking at a few boats and would like to see what you guys and girls think of the options, the prices of all of these are quite similar so I am just looking for Ideas. This passage will be done with two people.
If you have not read this book you should Seraffyn's European Adventure By Linn and Larry Pardey

They also wrote this The Capable Cruiser.

Here is another idea Look for somewhere peoples dreams die and look for a properly prepared and well equiped STEEL boat possibly owned by someone who has lost his or her bottle or just run out of money or time.

Lots of suitable steel boats in Martinique or Canada Chatam and others in France build good strong hulls for home fit out. Not that pretty but very functional. Legions of chatams have circumnavigated . Here are a couple hint They are not advertised much on Yachtworld

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Rober...9/Pictou/Canada

http://web-petitesannonces.fr/voilier-de-9...n-3-ref694.html
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tankage. *SV Watermelon was 39', and when we crossed from Ecuador to Easter Island there were three on board, we sailed for 19 days. *We did not use all our 75 gallons of water or 44 gallons of diesel. *We did not deprive ourselves of water.

I had a salt water foot pump in the galley, all dishes were washed *and rinsed with salt water, then a final rinse with fresh water. *Bathing was also done with salt water, then a final rinse with fresh water to get rid of the salt on our skin. *

When it rained during the crossing, I quickly sudsed our clothes in salt water, rinsed the soap out with salt water, then hung the clothes on the lifelines for the rain to rinse out the salt. *"Our clothes" consisted of (3) t-shirts and bathing shorts. *Nothing that required a lot of water. *We would also dance around the cockpit sudsing ourselves!

In other words, with care and judicious use of salt water, and a 5-gallon jerry jug of water for emergency rationing, two people can go a long time on 40 gallons of water, and since it's a sailboat, one can arrive with most of the 30 gallons of fuel as well.

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great, well that make me feel better, as for the atomic, it has already been replaced by a 2 cyl yanmar. I might just bump up the tankage to about 80 gal, I have heard you can fit a 30-40 gal tank under the front V. Thanks for the advice on the steel rigs, but they are out of m price range, plus the Y30 I found has a lot/ most of the cruising upgrades/fixes done already. New paint front bottom and side, new rigging, rebuilt yanmar, new tanks, new wiring, all led lights amongst new electronics. I will be looking at her on monday. we will also figure out then if 30 ft is too small, im just worried about my 6' 4'' hight getting in the way of a smaller boat.
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Depending how much chain you have stored forward - the addition of some 300 odd pounds of water should be tested to see what it does to balance and waterline before it is installed.

The Boat will soon get used to your 6' 4" no probs. And eventually your brain will advise your head when to duck. I have found that every time I get on someone else's boat = gthud - ouch.
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