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Old 11-11-2012, 02:14 PM   #1
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Hi,
I am 60 and will be retiring next year.
Ok...here goes..... i want to buy a catamaran and go coastal cruising. I will have around 200,000 to buy a cat. I have no sailing expereince at all but have been at sea for over 30 years on board various ships big and small all over the world As a seismic mechanic. I want a comfortable sea worthy cat which is easily single handled . My cruising area will be the east coast of Australia. Am l dreaming ???Any advice would be much appreciated
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:51 PM   #2
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Pedro, it's a no-brainer:

You only become as old as you want to feel you are. Plenty examples of this abound.

Now here's a little caveat: If there are things that you absolutely and positively cannot do by yourself any more but which still are mission critical, figure out plans B and C for those. Add winches, mast steps, modified systems perhaps. ( A lithe 36 year old wench is ideal but is hard to find )

Your budget allows quite a nice boat, not necessarily a cat though. But that is a different kettle of fish. I was told a 45' cutter was too big for one man at 65... balderdash. As long as you are fit and strong and healthy you should not have big problems. If you do, perhaps get a younger crew to do some of the heavy lifting. Most older guys are able to overcome the advantage of youth with stealth, experience and cunning. Nothing new there. Applies to boats just as well.

With your general sea experience I'd say go right ahead but do try to be smart about it. Even If you die at least you'll die happy. You'll even cut out the doctors, undertakers and the Neptune Society. Just thinking of their faces at such sad event will certainly put a smile on my face when I go.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:38 AM   #3
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I'm 66 and voyaging on a 53' monohull with my girlfriend. We've put over 4k miles on her this year; the boat, NOT the girlfriend.
I sailed this boat for over a year alone, before I met my lady, but I do have roller furling on every sail.
We visited another couple aboard a 50' Bristol pilot cutter (gaff rig) this evening and he is 76 and she's not much younger.
The one thing I might mention, though; you should be extremely cautious about doing some physical things. I'm finding that as I get older, it is unwise to do things as I have been doing them for the last 50 years.
For example, when I was single handing, I pulled up to my mooring and over ran it by just a few feet. Instead of dropping the mooring line and coming around again, I just hung on, waiting for her to drift back. A bit of twist in my body while holding a 38 ton boat (as I'd done hundreds of times before), left me with a few stressed muscles in my side that ached seriously for several months.
You must take into account your age, no matter how healthy you are and really think if what you are doing is within your body's capabilities.
Just because you've done it many times before (at 40, or 50, or even 60) does not mean you should be doing it that way now.
Little things, like electric winches and roller furling sails can make sailing at this age a pleasure instead of a chore. Do not forget a very good quality autopilot; it is the one crew member that neither requires food nor drink and never argues or complains.
As for sailing experience, people have been sailing for thousands of years and it is not rocket science. I would suggest a few good books, my favorite being Royce's Sailing Illustrated and possibly a few small boat sailing lessons. When you have your boat, ask a yacht broker to recommend a professional delivery captain familiar with the boat you have and have him sail with you until you feel capable of setting off on your own, maybe a few weeks?
I say, go for it and have a blast.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:22 AM   #4
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It's easily do-able. I suggest you develop a not too strenuous regime of flexibility and resistance exercise and when anchored, take a reasonably brisk 30 minute walk along the beach.

Some few years ago, there was an Aussie who set up a business in the Philippines building glass over ply cats. They were exceptional value, I think 42' and were built to sailaway stage for about $145,000. I just had a quick gander on the net, but can't find a link. If I have any success, I'll post the details here.
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I solo sail at 66 and have crossed the Atlantic solo. My 75 year old friend is in the middle of his second solo circumnavigation. Go for it!
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:59 AM   #6
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60 - no problem! Catamaran - problem! as the following video will attest. Monohull sailboat vs catamaran powerboat. Giant Wave destroys sailboat - YouTube. This video says it ALL!
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:56 AM   #7
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Pedros,

Age is not a problem as many people will attest to.

Beware of ignorance and peoples biased and misinformed views
which always seem to appear when you mention catamarans.

As a full time seaman I am sure you know that anyway
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:22 AM   #8
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Catamaran - problem! as the following video will attest. Monohull sailboat vs catamaran powerboat. This video says it ALL!
The competence of both skippers is an unknown quantity. Cats and monos designed for the same purposes are both safe. Comparing a 25' keel boat with an 18' runabout and thereby justifying a mistaken belief that cats are therefore a problem in big seas, is just a little bit silly. I am sure most experienced sailors would see the folly of your assertion.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:06 AM   #9
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60 - no problem! Catamaran - problem! as the following video will attest. Monohull sailboat vs catamaran powerboat. Giant Wave destroys sailboat - YouTube. This video says it ALL!
What an absolutely ridiculous statement backed up by an even more ridiculous video. I am in no way a fan of most cats as offshore cruising boats, but the OP stated specifically he was only going coastal.
Just exactly what does that power cat have to do with a 40ish foot sailing cat? Kinda like comparing a sports car with an RV, don't you think?
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:35 PM   #10
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You two OLD timers slay me!! HONESTLY, had me laughing out loud ;-)) Gotta love your wit & humor!! BUT more so your wisdom & practicality!! Such good advice you all so willingly share & dish out OH SO WELL!! Hell Pedros, life only gets better & you only live once. Follow your gut, trust your heart, & heed the very excellent advice from the likes of Capta, Linnupesa, & Auzzee!! They're the real thing......"OLD SCHOOL"!! Of course that's just an opinion from some ole wench who knows nothin about sailin ;-)) Be safe out there ya'll Good winds & good day to ya
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:35 PM   #11
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Exclamation What a schmoozie you are!

Watta siren

Clearly you were made for the sea. However, diction needs to be preserved and you do not want to show any vintage years, good as they are.

So please, the correct "with-it" speak for "laughing out load" is LOL

U gt mi dft?

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Old 11-14-2012, 04:54 PM   #12
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I've been sailing since I was 12 years old - lakes, offshore, coastal, bay, you name it. I sailed a catamaran exclusively for 10 years.

This is not a discussion about cat v mono but about a 60 year old sailing NOVICE who wants to go coastal cruising in a $200k cat (If there is such a thing) which he wants to SINGLE HAND!! So breath deeply and tell me what happens to a cat in a puff when the helm is unattended - as it occasionally MUST be when one single hands? That's right - it goes over!

Here's what happened to Oracles multi million dollar 45' catamaran on San Francisco bay on October 16,2012 while being sailed by cadre of EXPERT sailors!

How long do you guess we'll have to wait for this 45 footer to self right after sailing in these protected bay waters?

Her's the video Video - digits: Oracle Boat Capsizes - WSJ.com
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:07 AM   #13
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Thanks for all the positive feed back on my post. I appreciate you all taking the time replying to this novice sailor

The negative stuff ..... well it hasn't put me off .

Stumplifter ?...guess you must have been flipped a few times in your ten years of Sailing cats. Oh yea, is there no such thing as a $200,000 catamaran??

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Old 11-15-2012, 04:55 PM   #14
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Default Catamaran choices in California under $200k

Assuming your home port of Brisbane is in California (rather than Australia) I found 2 to chose from in the state at your price point. Although they are both 38 footers. Here are 2 sites that you should be aware of - Boats for Sale, New and Used Boats and Yachts - YachtWorld.com and Yacht Survey Online: David Pascoe, Marine Surveyor. One will give you a sense of asking prices in your market. The other will advise you what to watch out for and how to properly purchase any vessel. Personally, having sold my last boat a year ago, I've been actively searching for a new (to me) 40 footer since. The bad news - California boat prices reflect transportation costs (most sailboats are now manufactured in Southeast) and the historic scarcity of slips in California. The good news - Slips have, for the first time in many years, become readily available in all sizes anywhere on the west coast and, due to the economy, selling prices are coming more in line with east coast prices. Good Luck
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