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Old 10-21-2012, 11:28 AM   #15
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Back again. The problem concern me it is that the cabin roof is flexible. The ex-owner told me should not be a problem , anyway makes fell me a little unsecured . That is normal for a Storfidra? And there is s small crack on the step mast , I check under the roof , and is nothing deeper. Looks like only the gelcoat is broken. I put some pictures ,maybe you can tell me if is a problem or not. Thanks again!
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:12 PM   #16
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No, this is quite a crack at the wrong place.
Seems as if the rigging tension has been too tight for quite some time.
I will be back with more details and pictures (for better explanation) in one or two days.

And it is a good decision to transport the boat over land down to Romania.
Then you have all the time at home to slowly improve your Storfidra.

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Old 10-22-2012, 12:40 PM   #17
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It is not that big , but is a crack( the picture I took is big) . The ex-owner told me that happened when he try to put the mast with the crane , and it was a mistake from the workers. I hope it will be easy to fixed!
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Old 10-22-2012, 12:41 PM   #18
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:08 PM   #19
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It is not that big , but is a crack( the picture I took is big) . The ex-owner told me that happened when he try to put the mast with the crane , and it was a mistake from the workers. I hope it will be easy to fixed!
Hi nicanor,
back with some more info!
OK, cracks due to a "hard landing" of the mast on the mast support.
But a crack in the gelcoat means that the whole structure has been stressed for the time it happened. You already checked the mast support below and everything looks fine? Here are two pics where to look for signs of strain - you find some more explanations within the pics.
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If the surface structure looks okay, you may check, if there still is some moisture within the GRP-structure: If this crack has been there for a longer time, moisture could have found its way into the GRP and as winters in Sweden tend to be freezing cold, there could be the danger of delamination of the fiberglass layers in the beam-structure. A Moisture-Meter might help to detect any moisture in the GRP.
If in doubt, ask a specialist, because this whole mast support construction made out of GRP delivers the pressure on the wooden poles, which are themselves part of the bulkhead construction that further delivers the pressure on the front parts of the cabin bunks.
Here is another pics that describes all that I just tried to explain:
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Actually the whole mast support construction is built so strong, that even after many, many years und under tear and wear it should be strong enought to withstand coastal sailing under reasonable weather conditions... but you said that you maybe want to cross oceans with your Storfidra: Then it is better to be sure, that the mast support is structurally perfect...

The deck and cabin roof is indeed rather flexible - but that does not seem to be a problem. Deck and cabin drunk surfaces of our Storfidra also have been like this - but this from the very beginning (we bought an 8 year old Storfidra) and it did not increase and the gelcoat did not start to develope any cracks due to this flexibility. (But as I already mentioned: kicking the cabin trunk with a rubber boot caused the original windowglass to crack!)

The Storfidra I did a major refit on, we owned for 30 years, before I sold her in 2005. And I am not a bout builder. It's just for fun!
Here are two more pics of our Storfidra after the refit:
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So, you are having a great and rewarding project going on
Have fun and come back any time if more questions come up!

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Ok, so let me explain what I now. Like a dreamer( foolish) I bought the boat with no advice from a surveyor. Anyway I wanted this kind of boat so much,that I took all the risky just to have the boat. Except the cracks on the deck, I found nothing to worry me behind the deck cabin. It was for me( with no experience) ,just a crack on the deck surface , if I was wrong......I have to pay it! I was looking to your pictures and I found nothing wrong with the situation in my boat. Maybe I am wrong, but I will put some more pictures, so you can have an imagine about that. Only sorry about the mess inside, but was raining in Sweden every half an hour that time! Please, from the pictures, ( not very good taken) ,can you tell me how bad it is? And the site www.nausikaa.org.uk still exist? Was impossible for me to found it. Thanks a lot!
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:14 PM   #21
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... if I was wrong......I have to pay it! I was looking to your pictures and I found nothing wrong with the situation in my boat.

... Please, from the pictures, ( not very good taken) ,can you tell me how bad it is?

And the site www.nausikaa.org.uk still exist? Was impossible for me to found it. Thanks a lot!
Hi nicanor,
let me give some answers to your above points.

... well, I suppose, your Storfidra is also a boat of about 40 years of age.
Signs of use and stress are normal. So, it is quite normal that there has to be done some work on a boat to bring it back to its initial strength. SO, don't see it the way that you 'have to pay' for something decided wrong - it is more the way to invest some more money to bring her back to old strength.

... I am not a boat builder nor have I any qualities to survey or judge the quality or functionness of a boat. And any evaluation has to be done one scene and cannot be done by pictures.

What would I do:
First: remove the wood from the beam and again take a look at the beam. Any dents, deformations or cracks?

Second: Your pics show that the inside as been painted white - so you don't se the original gelcoat. Check, if there has been done some plastering work on the beam or vincinity of it - a screwdriver helps.

If eihter one or both things are positive it really is better to ask a professional to take a closer look at the mast support system. Maybe he can then bring along a moisture meter to detect any moisture in the construction.

Third: stepping the mast and tighting the rigging also helps to evaluate the situation: then ask someone standing on deck to pull both main stays inward as you check below if you hear anything squeeking or cracking. This should not happen as actually the mast support system is constructed very solid!

So, if everything looks fine, nothing shows symptoms of stress and even under changing mast pressure everything looks and sounds solid, there should be nothing to worry about.

Taking again a closer look at the pics showing the mast step I noticed that some plastering work has been done around it.
What you should do in any case is:
- remove the aluminum mast step from the deck and sand down the whole gelcoat. That gives you a perfect view on how far any moisture intruded the GRP-layers.
- remove any other layers if necessary, if they have delaminated because of water and or frost.
- laminate new layers of glass mats to build up the original strength, using for example the WEST-Epoxy system. It is quite easy to use and brings good results when following the manual. If you are not familiar working with Epoxy and glass mats, it is easy to learn. But don't start you first trials on your mast support....
- finish everything up with a paint coat system - there are different marine paint companies on the market.
-finally you can bolt the mast step back in place using a good amount of marine sealant (NOT the cheap stuff you use for the bathroom at home!) around the bolts to get everything water tight. Here it is also crucial to follow the rules: put the sealant on, put the mast step and bolts in place, but not yet tighten the bolts completely and squeeze out all the sealant. Tighten the bolts a day later.
... oh, please excuse if I am getting too much into details... it's just so much fun and rewarding to do this kind of work and end up with a wonderful, well restored own boat!

... you are right, Nausikaa, who started out to build up a nice site on the Storfidra, is no longer on the net. Too bad. So, actually there is no Storfidra forum I know of, the only site, that takes a little care of the Storfidra is 26' Storfidra. It is in dutch language and rather taked care for the Midget-community.

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Hello! I am back again , with on more question , if you kind. I planned to bring the boat home end of july beginning of august. But , the truck driver ask me one question that I could not find an answer. What is the height between the bottom of the keel and the deck top? I now the length , beam , draft , weight , but I am not sure about the height. He told me that must be maximum 3 meters , because of the bridges we have to drive along Europe. Can you help me again Aquaria? Thank you very much indeed ! Florin.
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We measured 2.80 from Keel to the top but for overland transportation we always told that the over all heighth is 3 meters, to be on the safe side.

So, the Storfidra is indeed too high to put on a regular truck but it is no problem at all if the transport is done with a special trailer designed for boat transports - then she does not reach the hights of 4 meters as the magical heighth limit here in Europe (and not even the over all beam of 2,40 is a problem for land transport).

If you choose a professional yacht transport they will know how high the whole thingh will be.
If the transport is not done by a professional yacht transport business, make sure that the driver himself finds out if boat and trailer are below 4 meters as everything above 4 meters needs (expensive) special permits in almost all European countries and just can use special routes (which could mean alot of detours).

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Thanks again Uwe! It will be a regular truck , but are you sure about 4 meters in Europe? Because I found different dimensions in EU regulations ?
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You are right, the European Nations have diffenent maximum heights for their national traffics. Mostly it is 4 meters and for example Sweden does not define a maximum height, others give more for container transports, etc.

But for the traffic between european countries the directive 96/53/EG puts a limit to 4 meters of maximum heights.

To be on the save side, stick to the 4 meters. Exceeding the heights without proper permission can result in quite expensive fines- at leat here in Germany.

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Bravo! Uwe re your posts to Nicanor that I find most impressive indeed. Ever since my first sailing experience (on a havsfidra) I have been enthralled by the storfidra. Thus my great joy and interest in reading your knowledgeable sound advice that's very much appreciated //Joe
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