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Old 08-23-2009, 11:30 AM   #1
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I am sitting at home nursing a broken thumb after doing something I consider to be awfully stupid. The story goes something like this. We were sitting at anchor on Monday afternoon. Even after checking the weather report a number of times during the day the wind swung in from the north west which was a long way from the predicted south east. This wind change left us on a lee shore with about three hours of day light. I left it for 90 minutes before deciding that the wind was in fact building in strength. We decided that it be prudent to move to a better spot while there was still daylight.

So we began our procedure for pulling up the anchor with the engine running at about 1/2 throttle in neutral. with the wind on us I noticed the chain was skipping out of the gypsy so I stupidly used my hand to try to put some side on pressure on the chain. The rest is idiot tax as it grabbed my thumb and pulled it through, making an unsightly mess on my very white foredeck.

I have a quick Flairb 1400 vertical windlass, it says the gypsy is for 10mm links and I have 10 mm links but they seem on further inspection to be too long for the pawls in the gypsy.

Does anyone else have this or a similar sort of windlass as I would like to know if you have similar problems or if you dont the actual dimension of your chain links.

Your help would be apreciated as I am always a reluctant anchorer and my lack of confidence with the windlass is compounding my already existing reluctance.

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Old 08-23-2009, 09:08 PM   #2
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That was a Huge "OUCH !!!"

Check the Model off this Chart

Flair_Model_ID.jpg

Accordingly, the chain size should be 10mm Din 766

Flair_Chain_Size.jpg

High lighted are the measurements needed

Chain_Size.jpg

High lighted are the specification for 10mm Din 766 Chain for your Windlass.

The critical measurements are the L and Ps.

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I have the User Manual for this windlass, if required send me a PM with your Email Address

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Old 08-23-2009, 10:19 PM   #3
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Hopefully the useful links that MMNETSEA posted will clear things up about whether your particular windlass wildcat matches up nicely with the chain you are presently using.

If you discover the links are not the right size for use with your wildcat, your manufacturer may be able to get you a custom wildcat that will work best. When the previous owner changed the chain on our boat from 7/16" to 1/2" bbb, rather than just buy another wildcat, he sent a small section of the chain he'd purchased to the windlass manufacturer in order to ensure that he was getting the perfect fit. And, we've learned, it works great.

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Rob,

I forgot to add that if you have to replace the chain - make sure it is properly certificated as calibrated.

There is a lot of chain imported from China, much of which is below standard.

Good luck

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I second the "ouch" ... I did a similary dumb thing a few weeks ago when my anchor was dragging, I let chain out without using the windlass , .... I was lucky it just gave me a deep gash in the hand but didn't break anything....

Lesson learned... for both of us...

good luck... with the windlass and the hand
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Do you use leather gloves when anchoring or hauling anchor? *Peter has had far fewer cuts and gashes now that he wears them regularly. *I buy them 3 pairs at a time to be sure we always have a pair for both of us.
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Do you use leather gloves when anchoring or hauling anchor? *Peter has had far fewer cuts and gashes now that he wears them regularly. *I buy them 3 pairs at a time to be sure we always have a pair for both of us.
David typically forgets to carry his gloves forward when leaving the cockpit--so I shove them at him on the way.
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Hopefully the useful links that MMNETSEA posted will clear things up about whether your particular windlass wildcat matches up nicely with the chain you are presently using.
Hi Red, these were not links as such but data extracts from the windlass manual and the Din code for the chain.

It is always interesting the way seafarer's language has evolved when describing boat equipment EG : 'Wildcat' - US ---- 'Gypsy'- English

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It is always interesting the way seafarer's language has evolved when describing boat equipment EG : 'Wildcat' - US ---- 'Gypsy'- English

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What do you'all say to segregate between chain and rope windlass? Here--Wildcat is for chain, gypsy is for rope. Further, Navy folks I know insist that the only thing which is a "windlass" is a horizontal windlass. There being no such thing as a "vertical windlass" but rather that would be called a capstan. Do you have the same distinction?
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IMHO:

Windlass - a horizontally fitted mechanical device, hand, electically, steam or hydraulic powered, for raising and letting go an anchor

Gypsy - the main hauling wheel of a windlass cut away to allow the cable to slot into and be hauled by the gypsy

drum end or warping drum - the drums at the extremities of the winfdlasses driving axel used for heaving on ropes amd lines

capstan - a vertically mounted device for hauling on ropes or even anchor cable

anchor cable - not cable but chain, the expression comes from the cables of sailing ships which were, in fact, cable-laid rope.

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I must admit I am not comfortable with the term windlass for the vertical device but for the sake of what most people understand I went with windlass.

I don't wear gloves but will do in future. But given my stupidity the glove may well have made it worse. Lesson learned in Annette's words "next time you will keep your hands where they belong......now clean up your mess".

She was such a gentle soul when first we met and I introduced her to sailing...now however, she speaks her mind on her boat.

I look like I will have to replace the chain as quick only have the three different size gypsy's.

Boating is such fun!

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