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Old 07-23-2007, 09:56 PM   #15
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I'm just speechless that mankind still does this.
Then you would be really shocked to find out what we still do with very bad chemicals.

If You ever get to the St Louis mo area. I will take you down to a spot were you will not only see 55 gallon drums barried in the river front. You will also see truck bring more in to barry and a full time dozer operator that keeps covering them over.

The funny thing. The site has been closed for years and is a supper fund clean up site.

I have hauled MILLIONS of pounds into this place and also been around at say 2 or 3 in the am when a tanker truck or 7 just got empty some how.

Its nasty what is done.

I am all for sending trash to space. Let it burn up on reentry. Just it costs way to much.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:07 PM   #16
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The problem of the disposal of garbage is a result of a much bigger dilemma. We need to cut the amount of garbage we make in the first place. While that may sound like latter day hippy idealism, it is merely a matter of motivation.

When I was a child, we had a small galvanised garbage bin which we put by the kerb every week. It was never full, yet it served a family of four. It was a time when the garbage was known, in Oz, as 'gash'. Gash was a hybrid word formed from 'garbage' and 'ash'. Every home had an incinerator in the back garden for burning papers and most homes had compost heaps for fertilizing the the home grown vegetables. Every week, we would take the ash-pan, and empty cinders and ash into the rubbish bin.

When we brought home the weekly grocery order, there was always a small bag of paper waste left behind. Nowadays, the garbage left after a weekly shopping trip is enormous. The problem is that modern society develops so much more rubbish per head of population than we did in the 50's and 60's.

Vacuum formed plastic packaging with a 100mm x 80mm 'footprint' to contain one lousy tap washer is plainly ridiculous and it is this end of the marketing process that society needs to address.

'Nuff said. Now, I need to go and grow dreadlocks, smoke some weed, not have a bath and find a new length of twine for the dog's lead.

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Old 07-23-2007, 11:16 PM   #17
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You are right. We do wase alot.

I know here is the USA we wase alot.

I mean it is just wrong at the waste we produce.

Most of it would be very easy to recyle.
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Old 07-24-2007, 02:29 AM   #18
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Well put David. I'm always amazed at how much I use the barbie on ocean passages just to try and properly dispose of paper and '100mm x 80mm plastic shrink wrap' stuff! And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much reason to attempt to re-cycle or 'properply dispose' of a long voyage's rubbish on many (most?) pacific islands. In the Marshall islands, I've watched people go through my carefully packed rubbish and then simply toss it into the lagoon. Either that or the village dogs simply get into it, and it still finds its way into the lagoon along with dirty nappies, empty Spam containers, plastic wrapping, and every other bit of 21st century waste.

Perhaps it lends some credence to the story that one of Marlon Brando's biggest expenses when he owned his island in Tahiti was rubbish collection and disposal from all the crap that washed ashore.

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Well put David. I'm always amazed at how much I use the barbie on ocean passages just to try and properly dispose of paper and '100mm x 80mm plastic shrink wrap' stuff! And unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much reason to attempt to re-cycle or 'properply dispose' of a long voyage's rubbish on many (most?) pacific islands. In the Marshall islands, I've watched people go through my carefully packed rubbish and then simply toss it into the lagoon. Either that or the village dogs simply get into it, and it still finds its way into the lagoon along with dirty nappies, empty Spam containers, plastic wrapping, and every other bit of 21st century waste.
I sailed into the Dominican Republic last year and made land fall just west of Santo Domingo in the port of Bajos de Haina. I went around the boat and carefully packaged up all the refuse - and carried it all up to the dumpster. Later the same day I watched as two men moved the dumpster next to the water, and then emptied it piece by piece. The bits that might be of some value (bottles, cans, etc.) were put in a neat pile, the rest was thrown into the water for the tide to "take away". And yes the port was filthy, and I couldn't wait to get out of there.

Another time as I approached the Island of Flores in the Java Sea I could smell the burning of rubbish - long before I actually saw the island. When on the island, in the city of Ende, I found the source of the smell. I noticed almost every house or business had a small metal bin on the sidewalk for the burning of their garbage. The water was cleaner (sort of) but the air was most foul.

Isn't the 21st century wonderful. Maybe we should start a thread for the best garbage story...
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On www.rozsavage.com her latest blog mentions "the pacific garbage patch"... interesting... maybe this isn't as random (the occasional small patch) as we think
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Does anybody know what cities in the world does not have a dump and take their trash to the sea to dump?

Does New York City still do it?

How does this compare to the boaters?
Hello Lynx,

Hong Kong for years has dumped her rubbish into the South China Sea , despite spending millions on landfills and incinerators.

Every single day (except typhoon days) there will be a procession of barges towed by tugs making their way out south east of the "Nine Pins" the contents are dumped and the barges return for more.

It is not possible to compare the waste that turns up in the coast waters of China with waste that yachts deliberately chuck into the sea.

But registered vessels in Hong Kong waters number many thousands.
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On www.rozsavage.com her latest blog mentions "the pacific garbage patch"... interesting... maybe this isn't as random (the occasional small patch) as we think
Anywhere, where two bodies of water meet, you get a collection of "junk". This is not just man-made junk but also you will find such things as branches or even entire trees floating in this area.

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From the link I used before, here's a link to the graphic on the Pacific "garbage patch"

http://beachcombersalert.org/images/...s_OSCURS_1.jpg
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WOW! I am over whelmed at the responses. I need time to digest this before responding to all.

I like this cruising site, very much. I just have not had the time lately, to visit.

It appears my sailing date, was correct.

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Yes, what to do with garbage has certainly changed over the years. When I was a kid we had an incinerator out back. Many city houses built pre-wwII also have incinerators in them. Common way of dealing with trash. Also, when I was a kid, we took the coke bottles back to the grocery to get our deposits back. Remember how all the old bottles looked dinged and scratched when you bought coke you knew that the bottle had been reused many times. Now, though recycling is demanded in the USA, its hard to find a recycling center. Everything is shiny, new, clean. Everything is packaged with so much extra "package" that it makes no sense.

For good grief, every apple has a sticker on it! The meats in the meat department have those foamy bottoms, a little foamy paper to collect the juices and is covered in plastic. What happened to the days/times of paper wrapping the meat? Ah, we're so much better off now?

I have heard of cruiser with garbage disposals--I guess to compact the trash enough that it is easier to store until they get back to shore. My husband (who spent years in the US Navy which used to dump trash in the oceans...) says he thinks they just compact it so it will sink faster
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. My husband (who spent years in the US Navy which used to dump trash in the oceans...) says he thinks they just compact it so it will sink faster
According to international agreement, ports are to provide free of charge services for garbage and bilge (oily water) disposal. According to my knowledge, only the Swedish port of Gothenburg provides this service and they require 24 hours notice.

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The Great Pacific Garbage Patch.
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So is there a garbage patch of the Atlantic, or any other sea?
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