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Old 10-10-2010, 04:59 PM   #21
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Stephen,

I grew up in Saginaw and spent large amounts of time out in the Bay, Which is not a small one by any measure; which those of us who sailed there learned early on that you stay out of the way of the big ships and from the sailors of them that the sailing life was interesting but had more than it's fair share of dangers. They often bemoaned having to be put to sea short of supplies that they should not leave without, being told that they would be brought on board before leaving the Great Lakes. Luckily most of the ships made it out though not all of them.

It is one reason to keep a detailed inventory and keep everything important where it is supposed to be on board. It adds time to getting to leave for a trip and it means accounting for little things along the way. The benefit is when you need it and know where to lay your hand on it without fail. That can and has saved lives.

I personally thank you for sharing the information you have as that is important to know.

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Old 10-10-2010, 09:39 PM   #22
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It is one reason to keep a detailed inventory and keep everything important where it is supposed to be on board. It adds time to getting to leave for a trip and it means accounting for little things along the way. The benefit is when you need it and know where to lay your hand on it without fail. That can and has saved lives.
Thank you for your comments Michael.

The point I was making was more related to the design of modern ships rather than the the methodologies of running vessels, although in several of the cases I quoted the disaster was initiated by poor seamanship and then compounded by poor design. However, I quite agree with you. It is poor seamanship (as well as being illegal) to take a vessel to sea which is improperly manned or provisioned or in any other way unsuitable for the intended voyage.

I suppose the point could be made that vessels by their very design may be unsuitable for the intended voyage but providing that they fulfill the rules and requirements of the classification societies (Lloyds, BV, ABS, DNV etc) then they are deemed to be well found.

As for LISCO GLORIA, the authorities are still waiting for the fire to die out and it looks as if it is doing just that. There is much less smoke now and far less black smoke in particular. When the fire is out the ship will still need to cool down before salvage crews can go aboard and get rid of the water which is threatening to capsize the ship. The ship is anchored off the Danish island of Langeland.

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Anyone really wanting to see some choppy waether check this out LINK

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Thank you Stephen for you great info in post # 15!!!¬*

Have been on the water for the last two weeks (years end sailing) and was able to follow the LISCO GLORIA desaster on the radio. Luckily ALL persons could get off the ship - the whole rescue seemed to be perfectly organized and carried out? As soon as the masses of ¬*water from the fire fighting are pumped out into another vessel to regain stability, the Lisco GLORIA will be towed to Odense/Denmark.

Had the chance to make a day cruise into the wadden seas (North Sea) on a small passenger ship (under 50 metres) we have been cruising on before in former years, and this year it was the first time that the crew encouraged the passengers to get acquainted with the rescue devices on board: where are the life belts, the life rafts and the life boats, etc. Safety standards are upgraded.

But here is something that really makes me whorry: look at ¬*this¬*¬* ¬*Cruiseship of the last generation! ¬*The biggest one on the water - it even has a "Central Park" with trees in it. ¬* ¬*Did any authority ever do any Rescue- and/or Evacuation exercise before it went into service?

Where does the evolution of Cruise Ships end? Does everything, that can be engeneered and built has to be put on the water? Meanwile they reach the size of bigger villages ¬*(and midsize towns regarding their enegry consumption, with all its negative impacts on the environment . but that is a different but serious topic).¬*

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And so it hapens again.....

An engine room fire began on Monday morning on board yet another of Carnivals vessels, the CARNIVAL SPLENDOR. The fire has now been extinguished but the ship is powerless.

The 113,000-ton CARNIVAL SPLENDOR was on a seven day cruise from Long Beach. Currently she is drifting approximately 55 miles west of Punta San Jacinto, Mexico with 3,299 passengers and 1,167 crew members on board.

I will not be signing up for a cruise for a very long time!

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