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Old 06-10-2007, 12:14 AM   #15
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I agree with Richard 100%. No sense in going all the way to Hawaii when you can just do an intersect. The chart Richard drew should take you well clear of the Columbia river basin and Point Conception. I have talked with other cruisers who have taken the trip and myself included and found that staying well offshore will make for a much better trip. In close (20 miles) you have to deal with a lot of shipping, fishing traffic, and oil platforms. The waves along the coast are much more choppy and make for a uncomfortable ride compared to offshore. You also have fog along the coast.

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Old 06-11-2007, 02:17 AM   #16
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I sincerely thank all of you for giving me such detailed answers. Redbopeep if you are in So Cal I'd like to meet you.

Some facts about my boat:

The hull is very sound. It is triple planked, double diagonal on the inside, extremely heavy scantlings. 56' LOA, 45' LOD, 44' LWL, 13' beam, 5' draft. The reason the water line is so long is because it is a hard chine boat. It's a center cockpit with quadrant steering. She carries 200 gal of fuel. She's a 2 mast 3 boom staysail schooner.

The reason I hate to motor is because I hate the sound, vibration, and the fumes. Even if I motor 1 mile, I can't stand it. While motoring my boat needs more steering adjustments. Under sail she goes straight as an arrow.

As far as going to windward goes, she's ok for an old heavy boat with a shallow draft. The reason I stated it's does no go the weather well is because most people with sailboat have modern fiberglass sloops, and have no idea how different a boat like mine actually is.

PS> I just mentioned the ship transport as a joke. Why the hell have a blue water boat if your not going to sail it?

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Old 06-11-2007, 04:57 AM   #17
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Hi, Un1que,

I agree with the other posters that staying offshore makes good sense for your proposed trip. How much have you sailed this particular boat? Where have you cruised with her?

Center cockpit staysail, that's nifty. Hard chine, wow. Who's the designer/builder and what year?

Glad to hear you believe the design/scantlings are appropriately hefty. I take it you have no worries about the hull condition and fasteners... So shallow, does your boat have a centerboard? Or, was it designed with one? Or, just a wide lead keel down low? I understand the whole motoring thing--I hate it too. Yes, we're in San Diego, you can PM me on this site for contact information.

Regarding the ship transport--if you don't have the time to sail her yourself, its a viable option instead of having a delivery crew take her. Also, I know a few wooden boat owners who have wonderful, sound blue water boats that have told me that they WILL use ship transport to cross the Atlantic and/or Pacific. Reason--they consider ship transport to be very cost effective--when you consider insurance as well as cost of maintaining the hull and rigging (seriously). The hull issue being that fasteners only give you so many miles and then you refasten. One of the fellows who believes this cost/bene to be true is a shipwright who knows the numbers and probably isn't even counting the cost of his own labor when he runs the numbers.

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So how do all the hundreds of boats that participate in the Baja Ha-Ha get home to San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle?
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So how do all the hundreds of boats that participate in the Baja Ha-Ha get home to San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle?
Hello BarnacleMagnet,

Does your name indicate that you have a steel hull or that the anti-fouling doesn't work ?

Welcome to Cruiser Log - As many of our guests and members may not be familiar with the Baja Ha-Ha perhaps you could provide us with an outline of the event.

At the same time give us your ideas as to how they do get back to their home ports in the north.

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As many of our guests and members may not be familiar with the Baja Ha-Ha perhaps you could provide us with an outline of the event.
Well I am not an expert but I can give a bit of an outline.

As I understand it, the Baja Ha-Ha is an annual rally from San Diego to Cabo. Many participants from further north along the west coast join in. The rally cuminates in the 'Can't Believe We Cheated Death Again' dance in Cabo San Lucas.

Baja Ha-Ha

Relative to the current discussion is how do they get back.

After the Baja Ha-Ha, most of the sailors who choose to return, endure the Baja Bash. Which I gather is patiently watching the weather for the best conditions, and then motorsailing north against wind and current. Going port to port.

Baja Ha-Ha First Timer's Guide

If you google Baja Bash, you should find some first hand experiences. There is also a book about it available here:

The BAJA Bash

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Well I am not an expert but I can give a bit of an outline.

As I understand it, the Baja Ha-Ha is an annual rally from San Diego to Cabo. Many participants from further north along the west coast join in. The rally cuminates in the 'Can't Believe We Cheated Death Again' dance in Cabo San Lucas.

Baja Ha-Ha

Relative to the current discussion is how do they get back.

After the Baja Ha-Ha, most of the sailors who choose to return, endure the Baja Bash. Which I gather is patiently watching the weather for the best conditions, and then motorsailing north against wind and current. Going port to port.

Baja Ha-Ha First Timer's Guide

If you google Baja Bash, you should find some first hand experiences. There is also a book about it available here:

The BAJA Bash

Jim
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Thanks Jim - most helpful - What you said about motorsailing against the wind and current - going port to port - confirms exactly what our other posts have had to say on the problem.

Also thanks for the the URLs - good stuff.

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