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Old 02-18-2008, 09:03 PM   #15
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I would think that a person with Captain in front of his name on a business card is a good thing. It could be useful in finding work. Not only that someone would give you a second look for a job, but in the delivery business the insurerers would be happy.

Now to be called Captain John on the dock by people is quite another story, and maybe positively connected to one's appendage. I would think there is an appropriate time, and an inappropriate time to use the title. I would not want to be addressed by a person as Captain John, but I would want someone to recognize the fact I am at least on paper capable. At times the paper is just that PAPER!
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It's my understanding that the title "Captain" can be used by anyone in the merchant marine with what (in the USA) is called an "unrestricted" master's ticket, or (in Australia) a "Master Class I" certificate, and who has actually been appointed to the command of a vessel. Master Class I in Australia is the highest sea-going qualifiction available. I know one person who has one. You also get to use the initials "MM" after your name.

This is a much more rigourous training and experience program than, say, RYA Yachtmaster Ocean. You're looking at a minimum 15 years' study and experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(nautical)
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It's my understanding that the title "Captain" can be used by anyone in the merchant marine with what (in the USA) is called an "unrestricted" master's ticket, or (in Australia) a "Master Class I" certificate, and who has actually been appointed to the command of a vessel. Master Class I in Australia is the highest sea-going qualifiction available. I know one person who has one. You also get to use the initials "MM" after your name.

This is a much more rigourous training and experience program than, say, RYA Yachtmaster Ocean. You're looking at a minimum 15 years' study and experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(nautical)
I would be a bit careful of putting MM after my name. Such a post nominal is normally used by the holder of the Service decoration (for bravery) of the Military Medal.
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It's my understanding that the title "Captain" can be used by anyone in the merchant marine with what (in the USA) is called an "unrestricted" master's ticket, or (in Australia) a "Master Class I" certificate, and who has actually been appointed to the command of a vessel. Master Class I in Australia is the highest sea-going qualifiction available. I know one person who has one. You also get to use the initials "MM" after your name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_(nautical)
Hi,

Just to clear things up a bit, a Class 1 "ticket"is the highest sea going certification anywhere, as laid down in the STCW (Standards of Training and Certification for Watchkeepers) Convention. This is a UN convention through its maritime body, the IMO. I am usure if it still exist but in the UK there was a higher "ticket"called Extra Master but it brought no higher right to command a ship. It was, in fact, a more academic qualification which, for example, lecturers at nautic al colleges were required to have.

Using the word captain has nothing whatsover to do with STCW certification. It may be a polite form of address but it is nothing more than that. Nowhere in maritime English will you find the word captain on an official document. It is always master.

On rare ocasions I have put "master mariner"after my name, such as when applying for jobs. It is never abreviated. As Ken Bourke poited out MM is the abreviation used for Military Medal, whcih a seafarer normally would not have a chance of getting as it is an army decoration (I believe).

The Wikipedia side to which you refer is interesting but it contains one or two inaccuracies.

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Old 02-19-2008, 05:55 PM   #19
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Here in the U.S.A. the title of Captain is a certificate for different tonnage in recognition of what you are qualified to captain. You must at least have a six-pak Captain's license to legally take money for charter. etc. etc. etc.
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All me bloomin' life!

I have enjoyed the honor of being addressed and introduced as "Captain Kirk" by everyone who knows me.

It began as a nic-name born from the popularity of the TeeVee serial STAR TREK.

Never-the-less - I've been employed on nothing other than sea-going vessels (from aircraft carriers to manned submersibles) ever since enlisting in the US Navy in 1975 and (by natural progression) I eventually earned both USCG Master 100T and USL Master Class V licenses.

I absolutely LOVE working on, in and around the water and can think of nothing I'd rather do than earn a living while driving other peoples' boats. I love the view from the helm and certainly do not wish to return to engineering spaces below deck.

For the past 18 years, my primary source of employment has been at the helm. Commercial or private, motor, sail or submersibles... makes no difference to me - I love 'em all. I admit that I have been aground a few times, fallen overboard a time or two and I've walked right off the end of the dock twice in my "career" but I've never docked any vessel hard enough to prevent us from sailing away from it on schedule and I've never hurt anyone or suffered a collision while in charge.

I never refer to myself as "Captain" but I do feel honoured whenever anyone else does... especially when it comes from my crew or the owner of the vessel.

And - yes - I admit - I do use the title on my card - simply because it helps keep me gainfully employed.

Think what you will...

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I really like this topic!

... no more captains on the ocean...

Now I imagine a big cruise ship, let's say between the caribbean islands, the first day out, and all passengers appear nicely dressed for the master's dinner (former captain's dinner)...

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It has been my experience that the most satisfying title is the one bestowed upon you by others.

Unfortunately, by reason of name (like Kirk I am known as "Captain Morgan" in any bar I happen to venture into, regardless of oceanic proximity.

I too have always liked the term Skipper when commanding a vessel.

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Back in the not too distant past when I had the day job I would never dream of calling myself 'Captain' its a bit like calling yourself 'Mister' as in 'Hello I'm Mister Bayting' ...it should be bloody obvious that you are a mister unless you are a cross dresser. Normally when people ask what I did in my previous life I will say shipmaster but if dealing with dirtdwellers I may say ship's captain.

Nor would I sign myself on any document as Captain xxxx or xxxx, Captain.

Always signed as xxxx, Master

However common usage does see Captain used as a form of address, both by the washed and the great unwashed. Harbour control uses it on VHF, customs and agents etc use it and it is even used at meetings of the Honourable Company of Master Mariners. I have no problem with any of that . I do have a problem with 2nd mates going into shore jobs with brand new masters tickets and calling themselves Captain and an ever bigger problem with Master Vs calling themselves Master Mariners... plonkers!

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The Washington Post reports this morning that it is illegal in Germany to use the title "Doctor" there unless you have earned your MD or PhD in Germany. Could there be similar "Captain" laws out there somewhere?
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I think the Post may well be wrong there as there is a European agreement regarding education and training whereby a degree or other standard of training earned in one EU country is automatically valid in another.

On the other hand, Germany is absolutely right to clamp down on those calling themselves doctors with neither an MD, PhD or DD. But, in Portugal, anyone who has more than a modicum of higher studies is, I believe, given the title "Doctor". I know when I was running training courses in maritime surveillance in Angola (ex Portuguese colony) everyone called me doctor and, although I have other professional qualifications, I am cannot by any stretch of the imagination be deemed to be a "doctor".

Funny old world isn't it?

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Right you are, Stephen, as usual, and the Post does make mention of the European exception. But even those with a genuine MD or a PhD from anywhere else (Canada, US, Japan) are subject to criminal prosecution if they call themselves "doctor". It's called "title abuse" and is worth a year in jail and a fine, though that is unlikely.

Anyway, I just thought it was amusing after all the talk about the title of "Captain". And it is, as you say, a funny old world.

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Bit much though not accepting degrees and accreditation from other countries with document high educational standards. On the other hand, I suppose one could still put PhD, MD, LLB, or whatever combination of alphabet soup one has after one's name, with impunity - just as long as one does not prefix the name with the word "Doctor"

Now if everyone calling themselves captain without the appropriate certificate of competence was to get a year behind bars then the oceans would be pretty empty for a while.

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If Only Neddy was here :- http://goons.adamwaltemire.com/scripts/under.txt

"Neddy: Stop! (stops immediately) I haven't joined yet! It had been a pleasant

journey in a first-class railway coach marked H-Verks 40-ons and one

Charley. And now here I was in the legion recruiting centre at

Marseilles. I was just reading the second wall when the door opened

FX: DOOR HANDLE TURNED AND DOOR OPENS

Major: Oooh! Moulin Rouge, Foli Bijou and other naughty French words. So

you want to join the legion, ey?

Neddy: I gazed at the legion officer, his skin was burnt fiery red by the hot

Algerian brandy. On his breast was a coloured ribbon on which

dangled a penny

Major: We can't all have medals, you know. Now, my lad, a few questions:

Name?

Neddy: Ned Seagoon

Major Ned S E A G O O O O doubleO N

Neddy: Oui, mon capitain

Major: Oh, you're German!

Neddy: No, I'm a true Britisher

Major: Well that's a novelty. You speak French?

Neddy: Oui, mon capitain je parle francais dans le legion

Major: Well you'll just have to learn it, same as I did. now for the jackpot

question: have you any money or valuables on you?

Neddy: About 5

Major: Oh, there'll be joy-bells in the NAAFI tonight! Hand it over

Neddy: But, I mean, look here -

Major: It will be returned to you on your demob. Off you go, first door on the

left

Neddy: This door?

Major: That's the one

Neddy: Thank you "

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