Cruising Permit For Indonesia ( C A I T )

[Lighthouse]

Can anyone here confirm the "rumour" that a bond is now required when applying for CAIT (the Indo cruising permit)? The rumour is that they are charging 10% of the value of the boat BEFORE they issue the permit.

Anyone have any knowledge of this?

For everyone's information - (from the Bali Marina website )

CAIT TERMS & CONDITIONS

All passports must valid at least 6 months when entering Indonesia.

Boat registry must be valid when applying for a CAIT.

Bali Marina will write "The starting date " of your CAIT is the approximate date of your "Last port" before entering Indonesia, unless the applicant requests a different date. The validation date can not be changed without authorization from Indonesian authorities.

A CAIT will be valid for only 3 months from the starting date and can be extended with the same cost and procedure.

A CAIT process will take 7 weeks normally from the date Bali Marina received complete all document from applicant. The CAIT process time may be longer than 7 weeks due to Indonesian government process policy

A CAIT process fee :

Rp.1.500.000,- or US dollar equivalent for boat less than 150 gross tonnage

Rp.2.500.000,- or US dollar equivalent for boat between 150 and 300 gross tonnage

Rp.3.000.000,- or US dollar equivalent for boat bertween 300 and 1000 gross tonnage

Fee will be upon request for boat over 1000 gross tonnage

Any request for CAIT update (adding crew or changing crew) will be charged Rp.500.000,- or US dollar equivalent.

Bali Marina will only fax or e-mail all correspondence to the applicant. Sending post of courier an original CAIT document can be requested by and should be paid by applicant.

NO MENTION OF A BOND ON THE YACHT!

[Auzzee]

Yachts participating in the three rallies/races between Darwin and Indonesia were not charged any form of bond and there is no mention of, or provision for the payment of any bond in the application form for a permit to enter Sail Indonesia 2007, which departed Darwin on July 21st.

Incidentally, there are apparently already 40 expressions of interest for the 2008 Sail Indonesia rally, which is an ideal way for yachts to cruise the region in company. Details can be found on this site http://www.sailindonesia.net/home/home.php

Cheers

David.

FYI 100,000 Rupiah = AU$12.50

[Lighthouse]

Originally Posted by Auzzee

Yachts participating in the three rallies/races between Darwin and Indonesia were not charged any form of bond and there is no mention of, or provision for the payment of any bond in the application form for a permit to enter Sail Indonesia 2007, which departed Darwin on July 21st.

I believe that the bond was put up for the fleet by the rally organisers. This is apparently now the main motivation to join the rally.

There must be something in this!

[Auzzee]

That is interesting. I'll check it out. The organisers are working under the aegis of the Indon government. Answers will be found.....by gum and by golly!

David.

[Auzzee]

There was definitely no bond suggested or paid for the recent Sail Indonesia Rally, Sail Saumlaki, or the Darwin to Ambon yacht race.

However this subject needs more investigation...check this out..

http://www.balidiscovery.com/message...ge.asp?Id=3946

I'm on the case Chief!

David.

[Auzzee]

To date, it appears the suggestion is for a refundable payment of 5% of the boats value. I guess for the standard cruising yacht, this amounts to between $10,000 and $15,000. Given that there is a perception of bureaucratic corruption in Indonesia, I think this imposition would virtually end cruising within the Indonesian Archipeligo.

Few would be willing to put that much money into 'limbo' irrespective of which government may be involved; and, Thailand and Malaysia are just a short hop across the horizon and don't impose any such fees.

Hopefully we can shortly give a definite answer about the rumoured bond.

[MMNETSEA]

Originally Posted by Auzzee

To date, it appears the suggestion is for a refundable payment of 5% of the boats value. I guess for the standard cruising yacht, this amounts to between $10,000 and $15,000. Given that there is a perception of bureaucratic corruption in Indonesia, I think this imposition would virtually end cruising within the Indonesian Archipeligo.

Few would be willing to put that much money into 'limbo' irrespective of which government may be involved; and, Thailand and Malaysia are just a short hop across the horizon and don't impose any such fees.

Hopefully we can shortly give a definite answer about the rumoured bond.

Bob and David,

I have spoken a couple of cruisers who have very recently got their CAITs - no question of bonds being posted.

It is possible that the question arose because people were confusing the "Cruising Permit CAIT" with the"Temporary Importation of a Boat " where a bond is required.

I have emailed friend in the Nederlands Embassy in Jakarta to get the very latest info - will advise the response.

Richard

[Auzzee]

There appears some conflicting evidence in the question of bonds. A response from one source (industry, not government) says the legislation has been enacted and that visiting yachts can be refused entry if they do not produce their bond on request.

The same source says that as yet, there appears to be no evidence that any imposition has been applied to any visiting yacht. It is not clear upon whose estimation of value, the 5% bond would be levied.

Hopefully Richard's contact will provide more effective clarification of the subject.

[Auzzee]

The Indonesian Embassy in Canberra is adamant that no such bond is required for people wanting to cruise in Indonesian waters. They have confirmed that for people wanting to import a vessel into Indonesia, there is a fee set at 5% of the boat's value, plus a consumption tax, plus a luxury tax.

But, the rules for cruising boats seeking a CAIT, remain unaltered by any further financial imposition.

Cheers

David.

[Lighthouse]

David

Can you confirm from the Rally organisers that no bond was required for the participants? That may confirm one way or the other as the rally is VERY recent.

[Auzzee]

There was absolutely no bond asked for, suggested or required for Sail Indonesia.

Cheers

David

[Trim50]

Under Rally Permit

http://www.sailindonesia.net/rally/rallypermit.php

Page updated June 23 2007

Indonesian Cruising Permit (CAIT) and Indonesian Immigration Information

1. General Information

All yachts are required to have a valid Indonesian Cruising Permit (CAIT) while in Indonesian waters. The cost for your CAIT is included in your entry fee and is obtained by the the Organising Committee from the Indonesian Government for each yacht and will be given to skippers when you arrive in Kupang.

This CAIT is for the yacht only and is is valid for a period of three months from date of arrival of the rally in Kupang. The CAIT is for the yacht only and is NOT a Visa for either the captain or crew, however it is an Indonesian Government requirement that ALL crew are listed on the yacht's CAIT.

If you do arrive in Kupang with additional crew on board who are not listed on your CAIT it may lead to delays and extra "expenses" and again when you arrive in other ports throughout Indonesia.

[Lighthouse]

More into the pot:

From Asian Yachting

September 2007

ILL-winds for Indonesian cruisers

In stark contrast to official posturing in support of developing Indonesia as a cruise destination, the Indonesian Department of Customs and Excise has suddenly introduced a new regulation requiring visiting yachts to pay refundable cash guarantee equal to 5 percent of the vessel's value. The fee, levied at the yacht's port of entry into Indonesia, will be refunded upon final exit of the vessel from the nation's territory.

Raymond T. Lesmana, the chairman Indonesian Sea Lovers Foundation (Yayasan Cinta Bahari Indonesia), complained to Bisnis Indonesia that the new regulation has been implemented without prior warning from the government and at the very time Indonesia is hosting Sail Indonesia 2007, part of a world-wide cruise regatta by sailing yachts. This year the participants of Sail Indonesia 2007 are exempted from paying the guarantee.

While the regulation provides for a return of the guarantee at the final port of exit, the exact mechanism for the refund remains unclear, at least at this stage. Bali Marina which hosts a number of visiting yachts has been thrown into some degree of confusion by the new ruling, with many fearing that the armada of yachts at the Marina may soon weigh anchor and leave the country. More on this as it comes to hand.

[MMNETSEA]

I have written again for clarification, Interesting to see where this latest info was generated.

[Auzzee]

The quote in Lighthouse's post is some months old. My friends who recently sailed from Darwin to Bali have not been asked to post a bond. They arrived on Aug 29th in Benoa harbour. I will quiz them further regarding their clearance.

Cheers.

David.

[Auzzee]

Rumours still abound about the possible imposition of a bond for foreign yachts visiting Indonesia. The rumour states the bond, equal to 5% of the value of your yacht, is refundable when you clear out of Indonesia.

I have seen copies of all the paperwork which was required of a cruising yacht which entered Bali late last month. There is no request for a bond. The total amount they had to pay was $25. They have since asked local officials if they must pay any bond. They have been told no such bond applies for visiting, recreational yachts. The rumour however, refuses to go away and it has gained currency with local Indonesian businesses which are concerned about the effect such a bond would have on the tourist business.

I am still hoping to receive a reply from the Indonesian Embassy in Australia regarding the rumour, but they appear to be very slow in responding. I will continue to press this issue in the hope of being able to publish accurate, current information as supplied by the Indonesian Government.

In the meantime, do not trust any story with the exception of that told by Indonesian authorities when you apply for your CAIT (Cruising permit) PRIOR TO SETTING SAIL FOR INDONESIAN WATERS.

It is an offence to enter Indon waters without first having applied for a CAIT which takes about 7 weeks to process, but which can be forwarded to Indonesia for your collection at your nominated port of arrival. WHEN APPLYING FOR THE CAIT, ASK SPECIFICALLY IF A BOND IS REQUIRED TO BE PAID.

For answers to frequently asked questions about sailing into Indonesia, check this link http://www.balimarina.com/faq.html#question15

Cheers

David.

[sueandphilip]

No, this is not true.

Incidentally, another agent, apart from Bali Marina, who can supply your CAIT, is Kustajorno Projolalito. His email address is: cait@indo.net.id We have used his service. It can be done entirely by email, takes about 10 days to receive a coloured copy by email (up to 5 weeks to receive the original in the post - though ours was only 3 weeks to Australia.) In our experience, very fast and professional and keeps in touch - we would use him again.

[Edit] is this one correct?

(cait AT indo.net.id)

The top one has an extension formatted into it.

[MMNETSEA]

Originally Posted by sueandphilip

No, this is not true.

Incidentally, another agent, apart from Bali Marina, who can supply your CAIT, is Kustajorno Projolalito. His email address is: cait@indo.net.id We have used his service. It can be done entirely by email, takes about 10 days to receive a coloured copy by email (up to 5 weeks to receive the original in the post - though ours was only 3 weeks to Australia.) In our experience, very fast and professional and keeps in touch - we would use him again.

Welcome Sue and Philip to this forum,

The question that appears to be still unanswered by the Indonesian Government is "that cruising yachts are required to post a bond relative to the value of the boat at the first port of entry - this bond is recovered at the last port of departure" ???

The Email address appears to have expired ?

http://www.fastmail.com.au/mail/?MLS=AD-*;...s*U-1**11525283

[Lighthouse]

I removed the inbuilt formatting in the email address above.

(cait AT indo.net.id)

[MMNETSEA]

Originally Posted by Lighthouse

I removed the inbuilt formatting in the email address above.

(cait AT indo.net.id)

It still does not work with the "@" replaced